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Thread: Árpád Dynasty based on Y chromosome sequencing of Hungarian King Béla III (1172–1196)

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    Default Árpád Dynasty based on Y chromosome sequencing of Hungarian King Béla III (1172–1196)

    The guy is R-Z2125, downstream from R-Z93.
    It is most popular in Central and South Central Asia.

    From Wikipedia: "R-Z2125 occurs at highest frequencies in Kyrgyzstan and in Afghan Pashtuns (>40%). At a frequency of >10%, it is also observed in other Afghan ethnic groups and in some populations in the Caucasus and Iran."

    King Bela the 3rd specificic mutation is most similar to those of Bashkirs, indicating that he might have origins from around where they lived at about that time.

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    Out of a cohort of 4340 individuals from these geographic areas, we acquired whole-genome data from 208 individuals derived for the R-Z2123 haplogroup. From these data we have established that the closest living kin of the Árpád Dynasty are R-SUR51 derived modern day Bashkirs predominantly from the Burzyansky and Abzelilovsky districts of Bashkortostan in the Russian Federation. Our analysis also reveals the existence of SNPs defining a novel Árpád Dynasty specific haplogroup R-ARP. Framed within the context of a high resolution R-Z2123 phylogeny, the ancestry of the first Hungarian royal dynasty traces to the region centering near Northern Afghanistan about 4500 years ago and identifies the Bashkirs as their closest kin, with a separation date between the two populations at the beginning of the first millennium CE"

    "The phylogenetic origins of the Hungarians who occupied the Carpathian basin has been much contested [40]. Based on linguistic arguments it was proposed that they represented a predominantly Finno-Ugric speaking population while the oral and written tradition of the Árpád dynasty suggests a relationship with the Huns. Based on the genetic analysis of two members of the Árpád Dynasty, it appears that they derived from a lineage (R-Z2125) that is currently predominantly present among ethnic groups (Pashtun, Tadjik, Turkmen, Uzbek, and Bashkir) speaking Iranian or Turkic languages. However, their closest kin, the Bashkirs live in close proximity with Finno-Ugric speaking populations with the N-B539 haplogroup. A recent study shows that this haplogroup is also found in modern Hungarians [41]. Intriguingly, the most recent separation of the N-B539 derived lineages found in Hungarians and Bashkirs is estimated to have occurred ~2000 years before present [42]. This would suggest that a group of people consisting of a Turkic (R-SUR51) component and a Finno-Ugric (N-B539) component left the Volga Ural region about 2000 years ago and started a migration that eventually culminated in settlement in the Carpathian Basin."

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41431-020-0683-z
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    Corded ware>>>>migration to the east asia>>>>intermixing with asians>>>>xiongnu>>>>to the west again>>>>hungary, turkey, etc.

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    Check table S1. The Arpad yDNA is basically absent in Uralics, but visibly present in Turkics and population in Caucasus and Southcentral Asia who received Turkic migrations.

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    As expected, autosomal DNA of Magyar conquerors is closest to Bashkirs as well.

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    Bashkir is closest modern proxy to Proto-Turks.
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Bashkir is closest modern proxy to Proto-Turks.
    I want to add my usual annotation, i don't believe that a homogeneous "proto-turkic" group ever existed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eatensemn View Post
    I want to add my usual annotation, i don't believe that a homogeneous "proto-turkic" group ever existed.
    Then you shouldn't believe.
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Bashkir is closest modern proxy to Proto-Turks.
    Still, there are noticeable differences, because the 20% Iranic imprint from DA89 is missing completely in Bashkirs. The latter also have more East Asian/Siberian and Yamnaya ancestry.

    Target: KAZ_TurkA89
    Distance: 2.9045% / 0.02904479
    37.4 Yamnaya_UKR
    29.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
    18.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    11.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    1.8 Indian
    1.2 Baltic_LVA_HG


    Target: Bashkir
    Distance: 4.5591% / 0.04559092
    49.8 Yamnaya_UKR
    36.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
    8.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    3.2 Baltic_LVA_HG
    1.4 Levant_Natufian

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    nice, I'm R-Z2125 too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyp Snow View Post
    nice, I'm R-Z2125 too

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