Father ancestry

[Skeleton]

Hey, I decided to make a continuation thread from my last one.

If anyone doesn’t know yet, my father is a Southerner and with regards to his ancestry I suspect he has a lot of descent from the Norman population who invaded England in 1066 and replaced the Anglo-Saxon aristocracy.

This is for two main reasons:

1. A lot of the last names on his of the tree are Norman French in origin.

2. The early British colonists in the South were either indentured servants or second and third sons of English noblemen. This is what Ancestry.com has to say about it,

“North Carolina’s earliest settlers were the second and third sons of aristocratic English families, former English indentured servants,”

So I decided to upload his raw DNA to GEDMatch and these were his results:

K13


Population

North_Atlantic
49.85 Pct
Baltic
20.90 Pct
West_Med
14.68 Pct
West_Asian
5.17 Pct
East_Med
5.63 Pct
Red_Sea
0.97 Pct
South_Asian
-
East_Asian
0.81 Pct
Siberian
0.22 Pct
Amerindian
0.98 Pct
Oceanian
0.46 Pct
Northeast_African
0.33 Pct
Sub-Saharan
-

K13 Oracle


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 3.158378
2 Southwest_English @ 4.079772
3 Orcadian @ 5.564911
4 South_Dutch @ 6.094436
5 West_Scottish @ 6.323719
6 Irish @ 6.438502
7 North_Dutch @ 7.204898
8 Danish @ 7.736582
9 West_German @ 7.754959
10 North_German @ 8.767083
11 Norwegian @ 10.017187
12 French @ 10.724498
13 Swedish @ 12.457801
14 Austrian @ 15.930449
15 East_German @ 16.993879
16 Spanish_Cataluna @ 18.289461
17 North_Swedish @ 18.756987
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 19.524988
19 Southwest_French @ 19.700260
20 Spanish_Cantabria @ 20.063841

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% South_Dutch +50% Southwest_English @ 2.645180


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Norwegian +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.741787


Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Norwegian + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.482363
2 Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 1.539482
3 North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.586641
4 North_Dutch + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.633283
5 Irish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 1.637182
6 Danish + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.681517
7 Danish + Irish + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 1.723987
8 Norwegian + Orcadian + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 1.732383
9 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.741787
10 French + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.755934
11 Danish + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.763427
12 Norwegian + Spanish_Valencia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.763945
13 North_Dutch + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.764039
14 Irish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish @ 1.764453
15 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.771636
16 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 1.811261
17 Norwegian + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 1.823751
18 Danish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.824795
19 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 1.827172
20 French + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 1.829327

K36


Population

Amerindian
-
Arabian
0.60 Pct
Armenian
-
Basque
2.32 Pct
Central_African
-
Central_Euro
7.29 Pct
East_African
-
East_Asian
-
East_Balkan
0.55 Pct
East_Central_Asian
-
East_Central_Euro
4.30 Pct
East_Med
-
Eastern_Euro
2.60 Pct
Fennoscandian
8.14 Pct
French
7.36 Pct
Iberian
14.39 Pct
Indo-Chinese
-
Italian
11.20 Pct
Malayan
-
Near_Eastern
-
North_African
-
North_Atlantic
16.55 Pct
North_Caucasian
2.77 Pct
North_Sea
19.11 Pct
Northeast_African
-
Oceanian
-
Omotic
-
Pygmy
-
Siberian
-
South_Asian
-
South_Central_Asian
-
South_Chinese
-
Volga-Ural
1.55 Pct
West_African
-
West_Caucasian
0.44 Pct
West_Med
0.82 Pct


Genetic Affinity Map
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Ethnic Affinity Map Ancient
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Do his GEDmatch results suggest majority native British ancestry or does he show perhaps descending from a different population?



BTW, sorry to everyone if you find this annoying. I just wanted to get help and it’s all so fascinating!

[Richmondbread]

Paternal ancestry is not as important as Maternal. I wouldn't worry about it.

[Skeleton]

Paternal ancestry is not as important as Maternal. I wouldn't worry about it.

Perhaps, but I am curious.

[Creoda]

His results look fairly regular for a English/British American Southerner, if a bit Southern shifted. French/Southern admixture or shift is much, much more likely to come from mixing with non-British in America, than minor Norman blood from nearly a Millennium ago, that all English have.

http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo.htm

Distance to: SkeletonFather
2.72857105 FRA_Northwest
3.17988994 Southeast_English
4.10053655 Southwest_English
4.24079002 English_Midlands
4.28517211 English
4.92785958 English_North
5.58176495 Orcadian
5.91222462 Welsh
6.09919667 South_Dutch
6.19134073 Scottish
6.34192400 West_Scottish
6.44890688 Irish
6.69610334 German_West
7.71545203 North-Dutch
7.72950839 FRA_North
7.76733545 West_German
8.76378343 North_German
8.84918075 Danish
10.01580251 Norwegian
10.53519815 FRA_Alsace
10.73067099 French
10.75302283 FRA_Central
11.28379369 Swiss_German
11.95305400 Swedish
14.35459857 Swiss_French

Target: SkeletonFather
Distance: 1.5468% / 1.54679574 | ADC: 0.25x
48.8 Southeast_English
19.6 Southwest_English
11.6 Scottish
11.6 FRA_Northwest
6.8 Spanish_Murcia
1.2 Sephardic_Jewish
0.2 Lebanese_Druze
0.2 She

[InfamousAngel99]

My dad has deep roots in North Carolina, so I'll place some of his GEDMatch results below so you can compare the two. He is of somewhat-recent French descent, due to his 3rd great-grandfather being from southern France, so that impacts his results. The rest of his ancestors have been in the US for generations. He has Huguenot roots as well.

Eurogenes K13:
North_Atlantic 47.37%
Baltic 20.98%
West_Med 16.15%
West_Asian 6.99%
East_Med 5.51%
Red_Sea 0.36%
South_Asian 1.43%
Amerindian 0.39%
Oceanian 0.55%
Northeast_African 0.27%

Distance: 0.3096% / 0.30963068
48.8 Southeast_English
9.4 French_Basque
8.4 Southwest_English
7.8 North-Dutch
6.4 Irish
5.6 English_Midlands
5.0 AostaValley
2.4 Bulgarian_Ruse
2.0 Bulgarian_Burgas
2.0 Georgian_imereti
0.6 Balochi
0.6 Kalash
0.6 Tabassaran
0.2 North_German
0.2 Sardinian

Eurogenes K36
Armenian 1.73%
Basque 1.58%
Central_Euro 3.05%
East_Balkan 1.29%
East_Central_Euro 8.65%
East_Med 0.16%
Eastern_Euro 1.65%
Fennoscandian 11.98%
French 5.37%
Iberian 15.94%
Italian 5.13%
North_Atlantic 16.54%
North_Caucasian 3.86%
North_Sea 18.09%
West_Med 4.98%