Do most Latin Americans look distinctly New World or can they pass in the Old World?

[Zanzibar]

Yeah about the same SSA but Dave looks more Euro, genetics can be a lottery sometimes Ive seen many balance mestizos on Reddit who look very white too like this Mexican she's probably now 50% with the new update.

In my case I'm mixed with the darkest and robust amerindian groups Mexico, the margids which can explain why I look pseudo Caribbean.

Yep he looks more Euro, probably because he doesn't have high Native and Asian ancestry, unlike Axel. Although in terms of phenotype, Dave does look slightly more SSA admixed than what his DNA results suggested in my honest opinion.

Indeed, that could be the explanation for your specific case since Margids shared certain traits with Negroids such as very dark complexion, robust, muscular features.

The reddit Mexicana probably is mixed with the Pueblid tribes, who have many West Eurasian/Caucasoid traits possibly from high ANE and environmental adaptation to dry, cold mountainous climates. Concurred with you that a lot of Balanced Mestizos can look very White or even pseudo-Criollo despite being massively Red Indian.

Do Pueblids and Margids live in arid deserts and temperate highlands btw?

Btw it prolly depends on the Caucasoid group of that mix as well. Italian, which is the main ancestry of Italicus, is mainly Anatolian_Neolithic aka Med looks would have stronger pronounced West Eurasian features that might dominate the 1/4 Chinese better than if the Euro side is Northern/Scandinavian/Western Euro, who have higher ANE, and might be more recessive to Mongoloid admixture.

[ugochaves]

Yep he looks more Euro, probably because he doesn't have high Native and Asian ancestry, unlike Axel. Although in terms of phenotype, Dave does look slightly more SSA admixed than what his DNA results suggested in my honest opinion.

Indeed, that could be the explanation for your specific case since Margids shared certain traits with Negroids such as very dark complexion, robust, muscular features.

The reddit Mexicana probably is mixed with the Pueblid tribes, who have many West Eurasian/Caucasoid traits possibly from high ANE and environmental adaptation to dry, cold mountainous climates. Concurred with you that a lot of Balanced Mestizos can look very White or even pseudo-Criollo despite being massively Red Indian.

Do Pueblids and Margids live in arid deserts and temperate highlands btw?

Btw it prolly depends on the Caucasoid group of that mix as well. Italian, which is the main ancestry of Italicus, is mainly Anatolian_Neolithic aka Med looks would have stronger pronounced West Eurasian features that might dominate the 1/4 Chinese better than if the Euro side is Northern/Scandinavian/Western Euro, who have higher ANE, and might be more recessive to Mongoloid admixture.

There are scientific studies confirming that the European phenotypes of purebred Native Americans (especially North America) originate from the ancient world ANE. The Cheyenne had a chief (I don't remember his name) who was brown-haired with wavy hair and skin lighter than the American average. Mad Horse, the Lakota chief, was also light. This is ANE. The Native Americans of the north are my favorite race, they are the most beautiful among all the peoples of the world. Especially their aquiline nose. It turned out that their beautiful aquiline nose has a Neanderthal influence. I have already thrown a link to a scientific study. The nose of the dinarid in Europeans is not a set of the Neanderthal gene.

[Petalpusher]

What i noticed in the pics posted recently in different threads, like in Venezuela regions, is among crowds who are generally unpassable anywhere in Europe there is sometime one who sticks out like a sore thumb having fully European/Caucasian features (it's not even about skin color). Not sure if expat, more recent immigration unadmixed or genetic lottery.

Prime example of that, the chick sitting in the middle:



Brat, what are you doing here?

[axel.aleman]

Sorry want to clarify, Axel would pass mainly as a Creole in Mauritius, many who are a quadriracial mix of African, Indian, White (French) and even Chinese (there are historical laborers and other migrants from China there), not the majority who are of Indian stock (Mauritius despite being situated within Africa, is majority South Asian by race due to French and British colonization).

The extra Negroid-like traits might come from Axel's American Indian blood, which is very likely the Istmid or possibly Brazilid subraces (most Central American indios seems to belong to these two types) or even from the Chinese ancestry especially if his side is from Guangdong (most Chinese in Lat Am are originally Cantonese). Istmids, Brazilids and some Southern Han Chinese especially Cantonese do shared several traits with Sub Saharans, as a result of tropical adaptation, such as flat wide nose, round broader face, almond big eyes. So its possible that the Amerindian and Han mix with SSA could lead to further Negroid features.

The skin complexion and curly hair is due the SSA no Chinese or Amerindian input, only slanted eyes are due my 18% Amerindian input

[axel.aleman]

Yep even though methinks it depends on the case. Sometimes Amerind is stronger, sometimes the Chinese/Asiatic is stronger. Thinks it depends on the type of American Indian and the particular type of Asian/Chinese.

It could be that his Chinese side is Cantonese, which have significant SE Asian ancestry with less Mongoloid traits, and thus look less Asiatic than other Han Chinese groups. So when mix with the predominant Italian blood, makes him less look less mixed than it should be.

Btw off topic, but I think Daven also look more SSA influenced than his DNA results displayed (around 25-27% African which is same amount as Axel) if I remembered correctly.

And Daven look Quadroon as he is

[J.Haddadd]

Yep he looks more Euro, probably because he doesn't have high Native and Asian ancestry, unlike Axel. Although in terms of phenotype, Dave does look slightly more SSA admixed than what his DNA results suggested in my honest opinion.

Indeed, that could be the explanation for your specific case since Margids shared certain traits with Negroids such as very dark complexion, robust, muscular features.

The reddit Mexicana probably is mixed with the Pueblid tribes, who have many West Eurasian/Caucasoid traits possibly from high ANE and environmental adaptation to dry, cold mountainous climates. Concurred with you that a lot of Balanced Mestizos can look very White or even pseudo-Criollo despite being massively Red Indian.

Do Pueblids and Margids live in arid deserts and temperate highlands btw?

Btw it prolly depends on the Caucasoid group of that mix as well. Italian, which is the main ancestry of Italicus, is mainly Anatolian_Neolithic aka Med looks would have stronger pronounced West Eurasian features that might dominate the 1/4 Chinese better than if the Euro side is Northern/Scandinavian/Western Euro, who have higher ANE, and might be more recessive to Mongoloid admixture.

There is also the fact of genetic lottery, something that is usually ignored on this forum. Only a small amount of genes define physical appearance and they are randomly inherited. Of course that the degree of randomness is influenced by the overall % of ancestry, but it's not a linear process. Someone with 6% Amerindian has less chances of showing Amerindian residual traits than someone with 12% Amerindian, but there are plenty of cases of people with lower amounts showing more traits than people with high amounts.

And as you've said, it depends on the type/interaction of components rather than only in the %. Amerindian admixture is often more visible when mixed with Northern European, even in lower amounts, due to the ANE component that is strong in both Amerindians and Northern Euros. At the same time, Sub-Saharan admixture will be more unnoticed in a mostly Northern European person than in a mostly Southern European person, South Europeans have much higher Basal Eurasian than Northern Europeans and in case of some of them they also carry North African admixture. If you look at North American people with 25% SSA (''quadroons"), many of them look almost European, while the Latin American ones look far more admixed.

If you mix an Amerindian and a Northern Chinese, it's very likely that the outcome can easily come looking 100% like one of those because the distance between their components is lower than the distance between European or MENA and Amerindian.

[Incal]

And as you've said, it depends on the type/interaction of components rather than only in the %. Amerindian admixture is often more visible when mixed with Northern European, even in lower amounts, due to the ANE component that is strong in both Amerindians and Northern Euros. At the same time, Sub-Saharan admixture will be more unnoticed in a mostly Northern European person than in a mostly Southern European person, South Europeans have much higher Basal Eurasian than Northern Europeans and in case of some of them they also carry North African admixture. If you look at North American people with 25% SSA (''quadroons"), many of them look almost European, while the Latin American ones look far more admixed.

I will only disagree with this part. From what I've seen, amerind dilutes way faster with N.Euro than S.Euro, being way harder (more generations) to dilute with the latter.

If you mix an Amerindian and a Northern Chinese, it's very likely that the outcome can easily come looking 100% like one of those because the distance between their components is lower than the distance between European or MENA and Amerindian.

Not really, they come up looking SE Asian, my ex was one of those cases and everybody thought she was thai.

[J.Haddadd]

I will only disagree with this part. From what I've seen, amerind dilutes way faster with N.Euro than S.Euro, being way harder (more generations) to dilute with the latter.

From the point of view of genetics, that is a mathematical/statistical science, Amerindians are closer to Northern Europeans than to Southern Europeans and it is known that for phenotypical expression genetic closeness is more relevant than genetic distance.

Many ''pure'' Northern Europeans themselves exhibit pseudo-Asian/Siberian influence, like borealization. It is expected that any Amerindian DNA would reinforce such tendencies.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

From the point of view of genetics, that is a mathematical/statistical science, Amerindians are closer to Northern Europeans than to Southern Europeans and it is known that for phenotypical expression genetic closeness is more relevant than genetic distance.

First time I've heard N. Euros are genetically closer to Amerindians than to S. Europeans.

All the retards are coming out of the woodwork lately.

[J.Haddadd]

First time I've heard N. Euros are genetically closer to Amerindians than to S. Europeans.

All the retards are coming out of the woodwork lately.

It seems you don't know much about genetics (like 99% of this forum). All of humanity is in a cline in relation to Africa, mainly in relation to Khoi and San peoples. All genetic distances are measured based on distances to the ''human root'', the first Homo Sapiens, of whom the Khoi and San peoples are the closest to. Amerindians are among the groups that are more distant to the human root, Northern Europeans carry Neolithic heritage (that has as lot of Basal Eurasian) that makes them closer to the human root than the Amerindians, but they still have far less Neolithic heritage than Southern Europeans, and they share with Amerindians loads of Crown Eurasian components, mainly the ANE stuff.

In fact, Amerindians are much closer to a Dane than to a Sicilian.