Árpád-house, the Ugro-Iranian dynasty

[Marmara]

Turks and Hungarians are very different people today.

This Turanism never made much sense to me. It's cool to celebrate the common nomadic pastoralist steppe root as a cultural activity, but it can't go beyond that.

Also, i don't know why Korea and Japan participates in Kurultaj.

[Blondie]

Where did you see any of that? I don't see any Hungarian individuals, let alone a group, pressuring the Turkish people to say anything about anything. Also many Hungarians in this thread have spoken out against Hapsburgs. I have done so consistently and aggressively for years on this forum.

Böri is just frustrated because south germans, poles, czechs, hungarians, croats (so the catholics) wiped out his ancestors ass from Central Europe, that's why they are osessed with catholics.

Where do you see these hungarians? I've seen only Blondie do that

What exactly? As i said i'm not fan of Habsburgs, and not every single Habsburg time period are criticized in Hungary, most hungarians have very positive feelings about dualism (1867-1914), ad they consider that as golden age. The complete hungarian infrastructure, the famous buildings, industry, structures of bigger cities what you see in downtowns were all connected to dualism, and the hungarian living standards were very close to western countries.

[Turul Karom]

Turks and Hungarians are very different people today.

This Turanism never made much sense to me. It's cool to celebrate the common nomadic pastoralist steppe root as a cultural activity, but it can't go beyond that.

Also, i don't know why Korea and Japan participates in Kurultaj.

There are lots of people who see the benefit in Turanism that transcends even both Turkey and Hungary. There isn't anything wrong with gathering as a tribal unit for the betterment of the constituent members of the tribe. Turanism promotes the boundlessness of no-borders in a way that actually works and makes sense rather than Marxism because it operates on a foundation of steppe nomadism and a broader meta ethnicity of Turkic.

As far as Japanese and Koreans, I have met two Japanese Turanists and one Korean. One Japanese and the Korean were mild in their Turanism but found an odd draw to Hungarians (their words, not mine), but one Japanese man was insistent that Turanism was the only way forward for Japan. He said that Hungarians and Japanese are like "the people of the sun" and many more seemingly religious things about how he saw Turanism, Hungarians, and more. I never imagined a Japanese person in the plains of Hungary would be telling these things, but it really happened. It has not happened since. I can tell you all of the things he said if you'd like; we talked for about an hour. I don't see Japanese identifying as Turkic often, much less place themselves in the same camp as Hungarians, but I have indeed seen it and experienced it personally.

[El_Abominacion]

Turks and Hungarians are very different people today.

This Turanism never made much sense to me. It's cool to celebrate the common nomadic pastoralist steppe root as a cultural activity, but it can't go beyond that.

Also, i don't know why Korea and Japan participates in Kurultaj.

Agree

[Turul Karom]

Agree

There are lots of people who see the benefit in Turanism that transcends even both Turkey and Hungary. There isn't anything wrong with gathering as a tribal unit for the betterment of the constituent members of the tribe. Turanism promotes the boundlessness of no-borders in a way that actually works and makes sense rather than Marxism because it operates on a foundation of steppe nomadism and a broader meta ethnicity of Turkic.

As far as Japanese and Koreans, I have met two Japanese Turanists and one Korean. One Japanese and the Korean were mild in their Turanism but found an odd draw to Hungarians (their words, not mine), but one Japanese man was insistent that Turanism was the only way forward for Japan. He said that Hungarians and Japanese are like "the people of the sun" and many more seemingly religious things about how he saw Turanism, Hungarians, and more. I never imagined a Japanese person in the plains of Hungary would be telling these things, but it really happened. It has not happened since. I can tell you all of the things he said if you'd like; we talked for about an hour. I don't see Japanese identifying as Turkic often, much less place themselves in the same camp as Hungarians, but I have indeed seen it and experienced it personally.

[El_Abominacion]

There are lots of people who see the benefit in Turanism that transcends even both Turkey and Hungary. There isn't anything wrong with gathering as a tribal unit for the betterment of the constituent members of the tribe. Turanism promotes the boundlessness of no-borders in a way that actually works and makes sense rather than Marxism because it operates on a foundation of steppe nomadism and a broader meta ethnicity of Turkic.



As far as Japanese and Koreans, I have met two Japanese Turanists and one Korean. One Japanese and the Korean were mild in their Turanism but found an odd draw to Hungarians (their words, not mine), but one Japanese man was insistent that Turanism was the only way forward for Japan. He said that Hungarians and Japanese are like "the people of the sun" and many more seemingly religious things about how he saw Turanism, Hungarians, and more. I never imagined a Japanese person in the plains of Hungary would be telling these things, but it really happened. It has not happened since. I can tell you all of the things he said if you'd like; we talked for about an hour. I don't see Japanese identifying as Turkic often, much less place themselves in the same camp as Hungarians, but I have indeed seen it and experienced it personally.

My main issues with Turanism are:

- It commonly becomes a façade for an East/Central Asian racial fetish

- People start making absurd claims about the genetics of their own people, attempting to separate themselves from their neighbours

I fully agree with Marmara's stance. Anything past acknowledging loose cultural ties is shaky ground. It's when genetics fall into this narrative that the issues arise.

I'm surprised at how there are firstly Japanese and Koreans in Hungary in the first place and even more so at how they partake in Turanism. The only East Asians i'd expect to partake in Turanism would be Tibetan and Xinjiangese groups including Uyghurs, Mongolians and some Muslims within Eastern China. Koreans and Japanese are far removed from Turan so this is extremely weird, though I believe you.

[Turul Karom]

My main issues with Turanism are:

- It commonly becomes a façade for an East/Central Asian racial fetish

- People start making absurd claims about the genetics of their own people, attempting to separate themselves from their neighbours

I fully agree with Marmara's stance. Anything past acknowledging loose cultural ties is shaky ground. It's when genetics fall into this narrative that the issues arise.

I'm surprised at how there are firstly Japanese and Koreans in Hungary in the first place and even more so at how they partake in Turanism. The only East Asians i'd expect to partake in Turanism would be Tibetan and Xinjiangese groups including Uyghurs, Mongolians and some Muslims within Eastern China. Koreans and Japanese are far removed from Turan so this is extremely weird, though I believe you.

I have never, ever, in all of my time working with countless people and various organizations heard such a claim about this being a racial fetish. Not even as a concern. you're literally the only one. I am sort of blown away by the thought. Have you ever wondered why Turanism is different from a German or Frenchman marrying someone from the Philippines because of "muh submissive wife" meme?

I've attended many events and rarely, if ever, see any kind of east Asian phenotypes with western ones. I wouldn't even consider it interracial as they each consider themselves Turkic and will raise their child as a son or daughter of the steppe, not as some self-loathing western who can't identify with phenotypes of national heroes as a product of a tragic sexual fetish. Don't even begin to think this is somehow equivalent. I have Turkic, West Asian, East Asian (small), and European in my DNA. When I see someone talk like this, in the manner you suggested, it makes me feel like they are insulting Turanids that lean either Caucasian, are split Eurasian, or lean East Asian as though we are some product of a geisha fetish or weeaboo kink. It disgusts me, and I not only hate people who bring lives into the world as living consciousness thanks to their twisted sexual fetishes, but I also pity this offspring who will never feel as close as they could to having an identity spawned of love and continuity but are rather formed from some racial "dominance play" of the submissive "other."

Second, you have no idea about our genetics if you're seriously going to talk like that. So many studies over the last decade show continuity in Hungarian, Turkish, Kazakh, and more. We have various amounts, but don't claim there is none. You don't like it? Feel like it's overstated or out of date? Fine. Leave Turanids to our peace, and we will create our future with brotherhood forged in true tribal unity. Regardless, the majority of inter-ethnic couples I've seen have been Hungarian x Turkish. I have seen an equal amount of Hungarian man x Turkish woman and Turkish man x Hungarian woman. Many had children (multiple) with healthy Turkic identity and were all held in high regard. Same with Kazakh x Hungarian relationships such as István Kongur Mándoky, famous Hungarian Turkologist and his family who are honored in Hungary and Kazakhstan.

I'm familiar with only a few Japanese in Hungary. I have passed by a school and gymnasium that was started by a Japanese veteran of WW2. I can find you the article about it if you'd like. I have seen more Koreans, but many were tourists. I've flown on a plane next to a young Chinese man, about 21 if I remember, least year whose parents fled to Hungary in the 1970s. It was a wild story. He could speak English, Chinese, and Hungarian. He identified as Manchurian. We still talk at times on email. He has never been to kurultaj.

I have said in another thread and I will say here: i did not expect it from them, either, to feel a connection. But it was not simply us reaching for them, but them reaching for us. Not as westerners who they envy, but as family they feel a desperate need to connect with. Although unexpe and certainly atypical ar kurultaj, I was humbled and I will not deny them their sense of belonging to our tribe, as unique as it might seem to us.

[El_Abominacion]

I have never, ever, in all of my time working with countless people and various organizations heard such a claim about this being a racial fetish. Not even as a concern. you're literally the only one. I am sort of blown away by the thought. Have you ever wondered why Turanism is different from a German or Frenchman marrying someone from the Philippines because of "muh submissive wife" meme?

I've attended many events and rarely, if ever, see any kind of east Asian phenotypes with western ones. I wouldn't even consider it interracial as they each consider themselves Turkic and will raise their child as a son or daughter of the steppe, not as some self-loathing western who can't identify with phenotypes of national heroes as a product of a tragic sexual fetish. Don't even begin to think this is somehow equivalent. I have Turkic, West Asian, East Asian (small), and European in my DNA. When I see someone talk like this, in the manner you suggested, it makes me feel like they are insulting Turanids that lean either Caucasian, are split Eurasian, or lean East Asian as though we are some product of a geisha fetish or weeaboo kink. It disgusts me, and I not only hate people who bring lives into the world as living consciousness thanks to their twisted sexual fetishes, but I also pity this offspring who will never feel as close as they could to having an identity spawned of love and continuity but are rather formed from some racial "dominance play" of the submissive "other."

Second, you have no idea about our genetics if you're seriously going to talk like that. So many studies over the last decade show continuity in Hungarian, Turkish, Kazakh, and more. We have various amounts, but don't claim there is none. You don't like it? Feel like it's overstated or out of date? Fine. Leave Turanids to our peace, and we will create our future with brotherhood forged in true tribal unity. Regardless, the majority of inter-ethnic couples I've seen have been Hungarian x Turkish. I have seen an equal amount of Hungarian man x Turkish woman and Turkish man x Hungarian woman.

I'm familiar with only a few Japanese in Hungary. I have passed by a school and gymnasium that was started by a Japanese veteran of WW2. I can find you the article about it if you'd like. I have seen more Koreans, but many were tourists. I've flown on a plane next to a young Chinese man, about 21 if I remember, least year whose parents fled to Hungary in the 1970s. It was a wild story. He could speak English, Chinese, and Hungarian. He identified as Manchurian. We still talk at times on email. He has never been to kurultaj.

I have said in another thread and I will say here: i did not expect it from them, either, to feel a connection. But it was not simply us reaching for them, but them reaching for us. Not as westerners who they envy, but as family they feel a desperate need to connect with. Although unexpe and certainly atypical ar kurultaj, I was humbled and I will not deny them their sense of belonging to our tribe, as unique as it might seem to us.

I have no interest in going back and forth with you about your cultural identity. That said:

You misunderstand the ‘racial fetish’ remark - this is in regards to fetishing BEING racially East Asian past cultural ties, not the fetishisation of having an East Eurasian spouse. In fairness I should’ve specified that before you wrote that massive block.

As said in Marmara’s initial post - Hungarians and Turks are very different people today. Be it 1% or 5% - you are not the same people and cluster overwhelmingly similar to your neighbours. A quick Vahaduo test is all it takes, Hungary is not some fringe-Euro country. I’ve never once claimed there’s no such ancestry present, but I personally think this obsession with a small amount of DNA is absurd.

Leave Turanids to our peace, and we will create our future with brotherhood forged in true tribal unity

Good for you

[eatensemn]

I personally think this obsession with a small amount of DNA is absurd.

Yes

[Turul Karom]

I have no interest in going back and forth with you about your cultural identity. That said:

You misunderstand the ‘racial fetish’ remark - this is in regards to fetishing BEING ‘’racially Turanid’ past cultural ties, not the fetishisation of having an East Eurasian spouse. In fairness I should’ve specified that before you wrote that massive block.

As said in Marmara’s initial post - Hungarians and Turks are very different people today. Be it 1% or 5% - you are not the same people and cluster overwhelmingly similar to your neighbours. A quick Vahaduo test is all it takes, Hungary is not some fringe-Euro country. I’ve never once claimed there’s no such ancestry present, but I personally think this obsession with a small amount of DNA is absurd.



Good for you

It literally is all about cultural identity. This isn't some attack on you or a knee-jerk response to an off-topic banter. It's an important refutation of what I see are serious misunderstandings on your end about what this actually is.

Eurasian has "Euro" built right into the word. As in, Europe and Asian. Not East Asian Sinic like some people mock Turkics as needing to be, but actual, factual cultural and genetic legacy.

You sound like other posters who accuse 5-15% Asian mix Hungarians as savoring "every drop of Mongol blood." This has been a direct quote levied at me, as though I somehow hate my European-ness too? I've never said I'm not "white" or something like Blondie said I am, or that I stand out as looking particularly non-European in some over-the-top quirky way. Since my beginning on TA, I have always said that of course Hungarians will genetically cluster with neighbors most. You know, considering the 1000 years around them and all and also not being some 100% east asian genetic stereotype when we arrived in the Carpathian, as proved by many studies. Turks of Anatolia cluster the same way with their neighbors, and Uyghurs with theirs. But guess what? We are all Turkic, we are all family, and I won't allow religion or phenotype differences to get in the way of that. Every individual has the right to refuse my hand in Turkic brotherhood for whatever reason, but that won't stop me from extending it in the first place. If people wish to surrender their cultural and genetic mantle, then fine. They can relish in the nothingness they crave. But children of the wolf won't slip softly into death so lazily.; we value one another and know how to outlast Empires. Hungary has done it before , and we shall do it again with the current EU.

And no, not just good for me. Good for us. Good for Turan. Good for Asena and Turul and all the mythos of our kind. Caucasian, Mongoloid, Eurasian, Magyarab, white, yellow, brown, whatever.

Only the tribe of Turan.