Árpád-house, the Ugro-Iranian dynasty

[blogen]

Based on his genetic heritage.

His pathernal line originated from South-Central-Asia (today Bactria, but presumably this heritege was similar with the ancient Khorezm). Tolstov had right finally and the Hungarian connections with the Khorezmian history were not random, but aristocratic heritage between the Árpáds!

Even the legend about the origin of the Árpád-house (the hymen of Emese and the Turul) was identical with the mythical origin of the Khorezmian dynasties (the hymen of Anahita with a mythical bird).

[Ülev]

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[Kaspias]

This is pretty much a wrong assumption. Iranic? Yes. But where the Ugor factor exactly?

Moreover, as there was no Iranic self-identification during the migration around the Urals, it supposed to be Turkic which includes Iranic components inside.

"Out of a cohort of 4340 individuals from these geographic areas, we acquired whole-genome data from 208 individuals derived for the R-Z2123 haplogroup. From these data we have established that the closest living kin of the Árpád Dynasty are R-SUR51 derived modern day Bashkirs predominantly from the Burzyansky and Abzelilovsky districts of Bashkortostan in the Russian Federation. Our analysis also reveals the existence of SNPs defining a novel Árpád Dynasty specific haplogroup R-ARP. Framed within the context of a high resolution R-Z2123 phylogeny, the ancestry of the first Hungarian royal dynasty traces to the region centering near Northern Afghanistan about 4500 years ago and identifies the Bashkirs as their closest kin, with a separation date between the two populations at the beginning of the first millennium CE"

"The phylogenetic origins of the Hungarians who occupied the Carpathian basin has been much contested [40]. Based on linguistic arguments it was proposed that they represented a predominantly Finno-Ugric speaking population while the oral and written tradition of the Árpád dynasty suggests a relationship with the Huns. Based on the genetic analysis of two members of the Árpád Dynasty, it appears that they derived from a lineage (R-Z2125) that is currently predominantly present among ethnic groups (Pashtun, Tadjik, Turkmen, Uzbek, and Bashkir) speaking Iranian or Turkic languages. However, their closest kin, the Bashkirs live in close proximity with Finno-Ugric speaking populations with the N-B539 haplogroup. A recent study shows that this haplogroup is also found in modern Hungarians [41]. Intriguingly, the most recent separation of the N-B539 derived lineages found in Hungarians and Bashkirs is estimated to have occurred ~2000 years before present [42]. This would suggest that a group of people consisting of a Turkic (R-SUR51) component and a Finno-Ugric (N-B539) component left the Volga Ural region about 2000 years ago and started a migration that eventually culminated in settlement in the Carpathian Basin."

In the complementary R1a-Z93 haplogroup, the paragroup R1aZ93* (Figure 3b) is most common (430%) in the South Siberian
Altai region of Russia, but it also occurs in Kyrgyzstan (6%) and in all
Iranian populations (1–8%). R1a-Z2125 (Figure 3c) occurs at highest
frequencies in Kyrgyzstan and in Afghan Pashtuns (440%). We also
observed it at greater than 10% frequency in other Afghan ethnic
groups and in some populations in the Caucasus and Iran.

According to this map, the hotspot is in Fergana where Turkic and Iranic groups meet. At the same time, it shows a distribution towards the north; Altai. Guess who carried it?

[andre]

Don’t we have autosomal dna of hungarian conquerors? I saw that on MyTrueAncestry they have it.

[blogen]

This is pretty much a wrong assumption. Iranic? Yes. But where the Ugor factor exactly?

The Bashkir proximity of curse! Iranians from the Central Asian river valleys +Ugrians around the South-Ural, where the early medieval Magyars settled based on the archeological evidences. This connedction is two thousands years old, so this paternal lineage arrived into the region around the late ancient, early medieval times and ugricized before (group III. on the map) or the very early times of the new Levedian period (group II. on the map: Levedia in the South-Ural/Volga region based on the archeology).


source: Olekszij Komar - A korai magyarság vándorlásának történeti és régészeti emlékei

[Kaspias]

The Bashkir proximity of curse! Iranians from the Central Asian river valleys +Ugrians around the South-Ural, where the early medieval Magyars settled based on the archeological evidences. This connedction is two thousands years old, so this paternal lineage arrived into the region around the late ancient, early medieval times and ugricized before (group III. on the map) or the very early times of the new Levedian period (group II. on the map: Levedia in the South-Ural/Volga region based on the archeology).


source: Olekszij Komar - A korai magyarság vándorlásának történeti és régészeti emlékei

Well, Bashkir is 80% Altaic.

Target: Bashkir
Distance: 3.6949% / 0.03694873
78.2 RUS_Altai_IA
21.8 FIN_Levanluhta_IA
0.0 TKM_IA

In addition such Levanluhta can also be seen Bronze Age Turks:


Target: MNG_Pazyryk_EIA_6
Distance: 2.9343% / 0.02934266
63.8 RUS_Altai_IA
24.0 FIN_Levanluhta_IA
12.2 TKM_IA

Target: MNG_Mongun_Taiga_LBA_3
Distance: 4.3611% / 0.04361100
85.2 RUS_Altai_IA
10.8 FIN_Levanluhta_IA
4.0 TKM_IA

[blogen]

Well, Bashkir is 80% Altaic.

Target: Bashkir
Distance: 3.6949% / 0.03694873
78.2 RUS_Altai_IA
21.8 FIN_Levanluhta_IA
0.0 TKM_IA

In addition such Levanluhta can also be seen Bronze Age Turks:


Target: MNG_Pazyryk_EIA_6
Distance: 2.9343% / 0.02934266
63.8 RUS_Altai_IA
24.0 FIN_Levanluhta_IA
12.2 TKM_IA

Target: MNG_Mongun_Taiga_LBA_3
Distance: 4.3611% / 0.04361100
85.2 RUS_Altai_IA
10.8 FIN_Levanluhta_IA
4.0 TKM_IA

Well, we dont care the Turkic origin Bashkirs, because we care the Magyar origin Bashkirs in here only!

[Kaspias]

Well, we dont care the Turkic origin Bashkirs, because we care the Magyar origin Bashkirs in here only!

Start the job changing the title to "Árpád-house, the Magyar dynasty" then.

[Dunai]

These new finds definitely seem to bring into a new perspective the older origins of the precursors of the elite of the Magyar confederation of tribes, especially those of the Álmos-Árpád branch. For a long time it was believed they were most probably of East-Central Asian Turkic origin, but now they seems that they originated in the ancient region of Bactria, which was the heimat of Indo-Iranians. These new finds raise more questions than giving clear answers, so for the near future I'm expecting some renewed heated debates between Hungarian historians, geneticists, linguists. Such scientific debates are always the most welcome from my perspective.

[Blondie]

1. The ugric genetic origin of old magyars was debunked many years ago, thanks to the newest genetic results by Prof Neparáczki. We are talking about lingustic relations with uralics not genetic.

2. The genetic origin of old magyars was pure turkic/altaic and later they mixed with east european ostrogoths (and later vikings) like huns did with their allies:

"According to our data half of the conqueror population had Xiongnu origin, corroborating the statement of medieval Hungarian chronicles, which all declare Hunnic origin of the Hungarians. The conquerors with Scandinavian-German genetic affinity had most probably Ostrogothic origin, as this group was reported to have been integrated into the European Hun Empire hundreds of years before the conquest. Interestingly this European component also support the Hun affinity of the Hungarian conquerors. We did not find Finno-Ugric genetic connection, so our data do not support the Finno-Ugric origin of the conquerors. "
http://doktori.bibl.u-szeged.hu/3794...is_english.pdf

Their Y haplogroups are related to baskhirs, siberian turkics, and partly slavs:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-53105-5

Their r1a... haplogroup - paternal line of Árpád House - is also came from turkics (most probably) who assimilated central asian iranics before the migration to Europe. And i didn't mention the culture, religion (tengrism), names etc of old magyars which were all turkic. Very possible that turkic speaker magyar conquerors didn't even speak hungarian when they arrived to Carpathian Basin but the hungarian speaker population was already here and later these conquerors (their number was not much only 20000-50000 nomad according to Prof. Tibor Török) were assimilated into the hungarian speaker locals.



Probably the migration of uralic speaker hungarians happened in the 5. century from east europe at the same time with other slavic migration, genetically they were slavic, and they settled in the central parts of Carpathian Basin, these slavo-avars (avars were buryat elite from East Asia) were hungarian speakers and they was the main population of Avar Khaganate of Carpathian Basin. Every single genetic source says the common folk (hungarian speaker slavo-avars) and the conquerors had totally different genetic, the first one was european and second one was europid-mongoloid mixed.