Árpád-house, the Ugro-Iranian dynasty

[Bender1999]

No, i dont really see those people related to altaic people anyway, but hungarians i do, because: they speak a finno ugic language and second this area were a important place of different steppe people. Genetics say hungarians have low central asian input, but hitites werent IE genetically too, but were maybe one of the most important early (IE ) civilizations. It is the case of hungarians whether they want to be associated with those steppe cultures or not. Some uneducated turks also want to be more pseudo western or neo-pseudo ottomanist, even many nationalist turks dont know anything about turkish history. Before saying anything about whether you are x or y, you should know your personal and people’s history. Hungarians who want to be associated with europeans have to right to say it like hungarians who want to associated with steppe people. Everything personal views.

[Dunai]

It's kinda weird that even if the thread is about the Ugric and Iranian roots of Old Hungarians, all discussion was mostly about the Turkic side. Not as if Turks didn't contribute to Old Hungarians at all, but this new genetic study was presenting the hypothesis of the "Árpád" gene to originate in Bactria, a historically very Iranian region. What is quite interesting that Hungarians share the same flag colors and patterns with other modern Iranic people:

Hungary:


Tajikistan:


Kurdistan:


Iran

[Jana]

but hitites werent IE genetically too, but were maybe one of the most important early (IE ) civilizations.

Just a wild guess and maybe wrong one. We still don't know what was original IE genetics. Most recent developments support Armenian highland theory (wrong or not), and if that is correct than Hittites were not non IE genetically but very IE.
Steppe theory is not necessarily correct. It's true IE languages spread with steppe cultures but maybe it's those steppe cultures that were indoeuropenized and not the originals.

It's still not certain.

[Bender1999]

Just a wild guess and maybe wrong one. We still don't know what was original IE genetics. Most recent developments support Armenian highland theory (wrong or not), and if that is correct than Hittites were not non IE genetically but very IE.
Steppe theory is not necessarily correct. It's true IE languages spread with steppe cultures but maybe it's those steppe cultures that were indoeuropenized and not the originals.

It's still not certain.

Hitites were probably most similar with assyrians and lazes(genetically). I dont wanna discuss the origin of ie here,maybe sone day in another thread? Just read many times that hitites themselve were ie-ized. But yes, its a controversial theme, there are many question marks about that. Personally i am more the friend of the steppe theory, the anatolian theory has for me many weaknesses.

[Jana]

Hitites were probably most similar with assyrians and lazes(genetically). I dont wanna discuss the origin of ie here,maybe sone day in another thread? Just read many times that hitites themselve were ie-ized. But yes, its a controversial theme, there are many question marks about that. Personally i am more the friend of the steppe theory, the anatolian theory has for me many weaknesses.

Armenian highland theory is not Anatolian theory btw. Those are two different things. Steppe theory was undisputed one in the past, nowadays things are different. But anyway this is offtopic so let's stop here.

[Universe]

Kossuth wanted nation based on French model of civic nationalism. To assimilate minorities linguistically and create one unified Hungarian political nation. That's how French language and culture came to dominate over many other languages present on territory of modern day France.

In case of Hungary it might be the fact how Hungarian language was too different/alien compared to neighbours which made Kossuth project to fail.

If he was visionary he should have went to keep Latin as official language of institutions - for Croats it would be acceptable, probably for all Catholics too. And ofcourse acceptable for Romanians. That would give equality to all inhabitants of Kingdom - use Latin officially and use your own language in daily and cultural life. But Protestants would likely not accept that.

If Latin was pushed as language of political nation instead of Hungarian (I mean all lands of Crown of St. Stephen), maybe we would be politically Hungarian today.

Maybe that was his stance during the 48-49 war of independence but after losing the war of independence he gradually started to change his views. After the war he envisioned a "Danubian federation" that would have included Croatia, Hungary, Romania, Serbia etc where all ethnicities would have been granted equal rights

You can read about it here:
http://tiszataj.bibl.u-szeged.hu/182...09_078-084.pdf
http://mek.niif.hu/04800/04882/html/szabadku0178.html

[Jana]

Maybe that was his stance during the 48-49 war of independence but after losing the war of independence he gradually started to change his views. After the war he envisioned a "Danubian federation" that would have included Croatia, Hungary, Romania, Serbia etc where all ethnicities would have been granted equal rights

You can read about it here:
http://tiszataj.bibl.u-szeged.hu/182...09_078-084.pdf
http://mek.niif.hu/04800/04882/html/szabadku0178.html

Thanks.

[Blondie]

What is quite interesting that Hungarians share the same flag colors and patterns with other modern Iranic people:

Doesn't matter because the original hungarian flag is this:



So i think hungarians and americans are related.

[Marmara]

Trust me there is a problem in Turkey and other West Asian countries, where your pride don't allow you to find criticism against your own

This is not true for Turkey. Your judgement comes from the diaspora, in Turkey many people criticize, just not on two topics: Armenian Genocide and Kurdish problem. Everything else is criticized.

[Bender1999]

This is not true for Turkey. Your judgement comes from the diaspora, in Turkey many people criticize, just not on two topics: Armenian Genocide and Kurdish problem. Everything else is criticized.

You fucking prejudice against the diaspora is annoying...