Árpád-house, the Ugro-Iranian dynasty

[Dunai]

However these new studies show a likely origin of the bearers of the Árpádian type of R1a to Bactria, which was for thousands of years an Iranian speaking region and not Turkic. Maybe other tribes of the Magyar confederation were of Turkic origin, but the Árpád branch seems to have been more Iranian than Turkic. Definitely I am not stating I figured it all out, since these new results are still too fresh to make ultimate conclusions, that's why I am still waiting for various interpretations from professional historians. The frequent occurrence of this type of R1a in Bashkirs can also be explained by the assimilation of Magna Hungarian Magyars into Bashkirs.

[Blondie]

However these new studies show a likely origin of the bearers of the Árpádian type of R1a to Bactria, which was for thousands of years an Iranian speaking region and not Turkic. Maybe other tribes of the Magyar confederation were of Turkic origin, but the Árpád branch seems to have been more Iranian than Turkic. Definitely I am not stating I figured it all out, since these new results are still too fresh to make ultimate conclusions, that's why I am still waiting for various interpretations from professional historians. The frequent occurrence of this type of R1a in Bashkirs can also be explained by the assimilation of Magna Hungarian Magyars into Bashkirs.

I didn't say that r1a is originally turkic, nope it's iranic by origin, but many east european and central asian turkic tribe had this haplogroup (result of assimilation), if we see the Árpáds culture, names, etc it's very clear that they got this haplogroup from other turkics and not from iranics. By the way autosomally baskhirs and conquerors were almost same. ű
Just an example, you have r1a haplogroup, this type is slavic, and your son will get this haplogroup but you can't say that he will get it from a slav, no because you are hungarian not slav, so the origin of your haplogroup doesn't matter in this case.

[Dr_Maul]

lol

[Kyp]

However these new studies show a likely origin of the bearers of the Árpádian type of R1a to Bactria, which was for thousands of years an Iranian speaking region and not Turkic. Maybe other tribes of the Magyar confederation were of Turkic origin, but the Árpád branch seems to have been more Iranian than Turkic. Definitely I am not stating I figured it all out, since these new results are still too fresh to make ultimate conclusions, that's why I am still waiting for various interpretations from professional historians. The frequent occurrence of this type of R1a in Bashkirs can also be explained by the assimilation of Magna Hungarian Magyars into Bashkirs.

One thing to note is that first people from this region were Iranian farmer related (BMAC people). They didn't have R1a-z93 but more J2. Later came IE-Iranic (R1a-z93) into this region and after that Turkics arrived.

[Turul Karom]

Árpád dynasty had Turkic names, a Tengrist religion, Turkic lifestyle and Turkic genetics. There is no question that the primary meta-ethnicity of Hungarians is, and has always been, Turkic. Unlike others who might not ever want to acknowledge Turkic input, I am more that willing to point out Ugric cultural influences such as language input, and Central European genetic input from being in Europe for the last 1000+ years.

Even the Hungarian members here are better modeled (closest to 0) in their G25 coordinates with fellow Turkic populations, not Ugric or Iranic ones. It is no longer a question of "if" the Hungarian conquering population was Turkic, but rather "how much". Just like the largest segment of Hungarian words are of "unknown" origin. Embracing that steppe past is the most significant step on a personal level that any Hungarian can make to experiencing their heritage.

[Turul Karom]

Even from the study in the OP:

[eatensemn]

Árpád dynasty had Turkic names, a Tengrist religion, Turkic lifestyle and Turkic genetics. There is no question that the primary meta-ethnicity of Hungarians is, and has always been, Turkic. Unlike others who might not ever want to acknowledge Turkic input, I am more that willing to point out Ugric cultural influences such as language input, and Central European genetic input from being in Europe for the last 1000+ years.

Even the Hungarian members here are better modeled (closest to 0) in their G25 coordinates with fellow Turkic populations, not Ugric or Iranic ones. It is no longer a question of "if" the Hungarian conquering population was Turkic, but rather "how much". Just like the largest segment of Hungarian words are of "unknown" origin. Embracing that steppe past is the most significant step on a personal level that any Hungarian can make to experiencing their heritage.

This post is true nightmare of christian hungarians, to be associated with muslim turks, inevitably.

[Turul Karom]

This post is true nightmare of christian hungarians, to be associated with muslim turks, inevitably.

Absolutely not. Before Islam and Christianity there was Tengrism and nomadism on the steppes. This anti-Turkic concept is only prevalent among Hungarians that have a western(ized) self-image and fear the associations because the word "Turk" and how it is related to the Ottoman empire. In reality, "Turkic" is far more than "Anatolian Turkish"; they simply have a certain means of branding.

Hungarians were called "Turks" long before we settled in the Carpathian:

The Magyars as Turks

Ibn Rusta: The Magyars are a Turkic people.
Gardīzī: These Magyars are a Turkic people.
Ḥudūd al-ʿālam: And all these whom we have mentioned are the different categories of Turks (existing in the) world. Now we shall mention all the lands of Islam, and then the rest of the lands of the infidels, lying in the western parts.
Abūʾl-Fidāʾ: They are a Turkic people.
al-Marwazī: The Magyars are a Turkic people.
ʿAwfī: The M.ḥr.f.h [Magyars] are a Turkic people.
Shukrallāh: The seventh tribe of the Turks is called M.ḥr.q.h
Shükrallāh: The seventh people are called M.ḥr.q.h. They are of the Turks.
Muḥammad Kātib: The seventh tribe are of the Turks, and they are known by the name M.ḥr.q.h
Ḥājjī Khalīfa: One (of them) is the M.ḥr.q.h. too.

"The designation of the Magyars is m.jf.r in the Jayhānī tradition. The Hungarians were mentioned under different ethnonyms in Muslim sources, among them “Turk," which also occurred in connection with the Magyars in Greek and Latin sources. In the Muslim geographical literature the name Turk was applied to the Magyars in two different ways. On the one hand, it was used as an ethnic name for the Hungarian tribal confederation, and on the other, the Hungarian people, under various ethnic names, were regarded as belonging to the Turkic peoples."

Source:

https://www.academia.edu/17517905/Mu...en_Boston_2015



Hungarian Holy Crown, the symbol of the nation for 1000 years, that says "Faithful King of the Turks":

[Blondie]

There is no question that the primary meta-ethnicity of Hungarians is, and has always been, Turkic.

Depends on what do you mean under hungarians? The uralic speaker common folk or the turkic speaker conquerors, because these both population were not same and hungarians are descedants of these two ethnic group.
Another thing is modern hungarians and conquerors are not same, just because nomad conquerors were turkic it doesnt mean modern hungarians are turkic since the hungarian culture is european, hungarian genetic is central european not turkic and the hungarian lagnguage is also not turkic.

[Bender1999]

You hungarians, even you have low turkic genetics, are honorary member of the turkic cultures and peoples. Europeans aren’t genetically the same too, but have some common history and culture.