A first cousin of my mum tested

[Mortimer]

I found her by coincidence, I tested on ancestry and saw her as 1st-2nd cousin. After asking my mum I know now it is a first cousin of her but she lives abroad in new zealand and I never met her before.

It is cool that a close relative of my mum tested. I dont have her gedmatch though.

[CommonSense]

Seems like Ancestry gives you more European DNA than what can be concluded from gedmatch. 23andMe made a correct estimate in that regard, but gives you an imbalance of South and West Asian instead.

As for your cousin, I'd assume her raw estimate here is more or less typical.

[Mortimer]

Seems like Ancestry gives you more European DNA than what can be concluded from gedmatch. 23andMe made a correct estimate in that regard, but gives you an imbalance of South and West Asian instead.

As for your cousin, I'd assume her raw estimate here is more or less typical.

Actually gedmatch gives me 75-80% european. Not 60% european like 23andme. did you saw my gedmatch how do you conclude 23andme is right in that regard and how do you conclude that it is the reverse of south and westasian on what do you base that on?

Here is my kit please provide me with the evidence what you mean and how concluded it for example eurogenes k13 oracle gives me 80% greek-thessaly 20% a southasian population i guess in that southasian is already some westasian included. but anyways, it is much closer to being more european than what you suggest.
Your DNA resources:
M434151 R Svetozar Plemic

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[CommonSense]

Actually gedmatch gives me 75-80% european. Not 60% european like 23andme. did you saw my gedmatch how do you conclude 23andme is right in that regard and how do you conclude that it is the reverse of south and westasian on what do you base that on?

Here is my kit please provide me with the evidence what you mean and how concluded it for example eurogenes k13 oracle gives me 80% greek-thessaly 20% a southasian population i guess in that southasian is already some westasian included. but anyways, it is much closer to being more european than what you suggest.
Your DNA resources:
M434151 R Svetozar Plemic

Pencil Edit Kit Profile
XL4206364 y svetozar plemic

Yes, your South Asian ancestry doesn't only imply ASI. Not even the lowest castes are like that, obviously. But the fact that for your European side the orcales is using Thessaly as a referrence means you almost certainly have additional West Asian-like DNA. After all, you have no (recent) Greek ancestors, but a combination of Serbian and minor West Asian could be confused as 'Greek' by gedmatch.

Anyway, I tried running your results in a manner of ways through K13 on vahaduo and this is what I got. First I compared you with your two principal ancestral populations - Gypsies and Serbs:

Distance to: Mortimer
17.38446145 Balkan_Gypsy
20.89482711 Serb

Target: Mortimer
Distance: 4.4458% / 4.44575479
54.8 Balkan_Gypsy
45.2 Serb


OK, the distance could be a bit lower, but it nailed your Gypsy to European ratio really accurately.

Now I broke down the Gypsy average into its principal coponents so I could get a better estimate of your non-European ancestry:

Target: Mortimer
Distance: 4.3594% / 4.35935779
36.2 Serb
27.0 North_Macedonian
19.2 Greek_Cappadocian
17.6 Chamar


Again, pretty much as expected. The total European score aligns almost flawlessly with 23andMe's estimate. The Chamar percentage I believe to be accurate in this instance, since full Gypsies are about 1/3 and you have a decent South Asian score on gedmatch. But for the Cappadocian (East Anatolian native basically) there's a margin of error since a full European could score that if they are somewhat southern shifted compared to the average.
All in all, it's safe to say that you're about 63-67% European, 17% South Asian and 16-20% West Asian.

[Mortimer]

Yes, your South Asian ancestry doesn't only imply ASI. Not even the lowest castes are like that, obviously. But the fact that for your European side the orcales is using Thessaly as a referrence means you almost certainly have additional West Asian-like DNA. After all, you have no (recent) Greek ancestors, but a combination of Serbian and minor West Asian could be confused as 'Greek' by gedmatch.

Anyway, I tried running your results in a manner of ways through K13 on vahaduo and this is what I got. First I compared you with your two principal ancestral populations - Gypsies and Serbs:

Distance to: Mortimer
17.38446145 Balkan_Gypsy
20.89482711 Serb

Target: Mortimer
Distance: 4.4458% / 4.44575479
54.8 Balkan_Gypsy
45.2 Serb


OK, the distance could be a bit lower, but it nailed your Gypsy to European ratio really accurately.

Now I broke down the Gypsy average into its principal coponents so I could get a better estimate of your non-European ancestry:

Target: Mortimer
Distance: 4.3594% / 4.35935779
36.2 Serb
27.0 North_Macedonian
19.2 Greek_Cappadocian
17.6 Chamar


Again, pretty much as expected. The total European score aligns almost flawlessly with 23andMe's estimate. The Chamar percentage I believe to be accurate in this instance, since full Gypsies are about 1/3 and you have a decent South Asian score on gedmatch. But for the Cappadocian (East Anatolian native basically) there's a margin of error since a full European could score that if they are somewhat southern shifted compared to the average.
All in all, it's safe to say that you're about 63-67% European, 17% South Asian and 16-20% West Asian.

I don't see that from the results only if you imply that all the Greek from vahaduo is westasian not European otherwise im 80 % European 17 % chamar

[CommonSense]

I don't see that from the results only if you imply that all the Greek from vahaduo is westasian not European otherwise im 80 % European 17 % chamar

I do imply it because Cappadocian Greeks represent not a European, but a West Asian population, native to central-eastern Anatolia.

Distance to: Greek_Cappadocian
8.24064925 Nusayri
9.43896181 Cyprian
9.43896181 Greek_Cypriot
10.09389419 Lebanese_Muslim
10.33643556 Turk_Cypriot
10.65384438 Greek_Chios
10.70023364 Greek_Trabzon
11.27976064 Armenian_West
11.39139149 Assyrian
11.46455407 Turkish_mixed
12.12587729 Turk_Central_East
12.43020615 Greek_Dodecanese
12.60649436 Greek_Caucasus
12.80973068 Turk_South_East
13.33473659 Syrian
13.40631568 Georgian_Jewish
13.50146659 Turk_Central_West
13.50671685 Greek_Symi_Island
13.70438981 Kurdish_Jewish
13.72337422 Turk_East
14.12660610 Turk_Anatolia
14.22571264 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
14.37809793 Iranian_Jewish
14.51771676 Armenian_East
15.05015615 Turk_East_Black_Sea