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    Post Lost R-Z287 Norse like admixture in South Asia ?

    My Kits on GED picking up some Norse like people from Scandinavia, Scotland, Baltic, Germany etc...

    3-Way (Triangulated) segment matches start with big matches with Grein (probably Yorkshire) and many UK surnames


    Another Nielsen with following Yorkshire ancestry matches my kit many segments some > 500SNPS. Another Norse like mixed sample Schuett matches close to 35% of the cM matches at 1cM setting. These all point to some lost lineage of R-Z287 in the South Asia during late Bronze age or IA. However it is not widely present like the R-L657 which has some mix of Siberian&Steppe ancestry.


    Agnes Brough b: Abt.1517 Brough, Yorkshire, England d: 1540 +John Gillby d: Fed 1559/60 Ravendale, Lincolnshire, England
    Mary Newcommen b: 1490 d 1544
    + Robert Brough b: 1490 Saltfleetby, Linclolnshire, England d: 13 May 1547 Brough Hall,
    Yorkshire, England
    Mary Sandford b: Abt.1460 Thorpe Salvin, Yorkshire, England d: 1545
    + Martin Newcommen b: Abt.1460 d: April 28 1540 Saltfleetby, Lincolnshire, England
    Elizabeth Greene 1443 Greens Norton, Northamptonshire, England
    + Bryan SANDFORD of Thorpe Salvin b: Abt.1440 d: 1446 Thorpe Salvin, Rotherham, South
    Yorkshire, England
    Thomas de Greene b: Feb 1396/97 Greens Norton, Northamptonshire, England d: January 18 1460/61 Chilton Stone Ham, Suffolk + Marina Beler Griffin b: Aft. 1416 Eye Kettleby & Sysonby, Leicestershire, England d: 1489 England
    Mary Talbot b: Abt.1382 d: April 13 1434
    + Sir Thomas de Greene b: Abt. 1369 Greens Norton, Northamptonshire, England d: Dec 14 1417
    Richard Talbot b: 1361 Goodrich Castle, Herefordshire, England d: September 7 1396 London, England +Ankaret le Strange b: Abt.1361 d: June 1 1413 Blackmere Castle, Shropshire, England
    Petronilla Butler b: unknown d: Abt.1368
    + Gilbert Talbot b: 1332 d: April 24 1387 Roales, Valladolid, Castilla-Leon, Spain
    Eleanor de Bohun b: Oct 17 1304 Knaresborough, Castle, North Yorkshire, England d: Oct 7 1363 Aldgate, Middlesex, England + James le Botiller b: October 17 1304 Arklow, Wicklow, Ireland d: Jan 06 1338 Gowran, Kilkenny, Ireland
    Elizabeth Rhuddlan Of England b: Aug 7 1282 Rhuddlan Castle / Castell Rhuddlan, Rhuddlan, United Kingdom d: May 05 1316 Quendon, Essex, England +Humphrey de Bohun b: Abt. 1276 d: March 16 1322 Battle, Of, Boroughbridge, Yorkshire, England
    Edward I Longshanks King of England b: on the night of 17-18 June 1239 Westminster, Middlesex, England d: July 07 1307 Burgh by Sands, Cumberland, England
    + Eleanor Of Castile b: Abt.1241 d: November 28 1290 Harby, Nottinghamshire, England
    King Henry III Of England b: October 1, 1207 The Great Hall, Winchester, United Kingdom
    d: November 16, 1272 Westminster, London, United Kingdom + Eleanor of Provence b: 1223 Aix-en-Provence, France d : June 26, 1291 Amesbury, United Kingdom
    John, King of England b: December 24, 1166 Beaumont Palace, Oxford d: October 1216 Newark Castle, Nottinghamshire, Newark-on-Trent, United Kingdom
    + Isabella of Angoulême b: Between 1188 and 1191 south-west France d: 4 June 1246
    King Henry II Of England b: March 5, 1133 Le Mans, France d : July 6, 1189 Forteresse Royale de, Chinon, France + Eleanor of Aquitaine b: 1122 France d: April 1, 1204 Poitiers, France
    Empress Matilda Of Normandy b: February 7, 1102 Sutton Courtenay, United Kingdom d: September 10, 1167 Rouen, France + Geoffrey Plantagenet, Count of Anjou b : 24 August 1113 d: 7 September 1151
    King Henry I Of England b: September 21, 1068 Selby, United Kingdom d: December 1, 1135 Lyons-la-Forêt, France +Matilda of Scotland (Edith ) b: April 30, 1080 Dunfermline, United Kingdom d: May 1, 1118 Palace of Westminster, London, United Kingdom
    William the Conqueror b : 1028 Falaise, Duchy of Normandy d: September 9, 1087 Rouen, France + Maud of Flanders b: 1032 d: 03 Nov 1083
    Yfull [B]ID: YF83218 Medals -> https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-the-Deep-dive
    G25 Distance: 1.0778%
    86.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
    5.2 ITA_Sardinia_C_o:I15940 1.4 ITA_Daunian
    3.6 PAK_Saidu_Sharif_H
    3.6 VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA:VK464

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    The mix sample Schuett shows following Harappaworld

    On 1cM Q-match I was getting

    Total cM: 742.81

    Largest segment cM: 12.82
    Total segments: 424

    The total match around 21.2% on full file at 1cM seem to show some big component not accounted for by previous calculators.

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 NE-Euro 45.97
    2 Mediterranean 30.47
    3 Baloch 11.39
    4 Caucasian 7.36
    5 SW-Asian 3.26
    6 Beringian 0.88
    7 American 0.58
    8 San 0.05
    9 Papuan 0.03

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 utahn-white (1000genomes) 5.76
    2 n-european (xing) 6.79
    3 utahn-white (hapmap) 6.97
    4 british (1000genomes) 7.09
    5 french (hgdp) 7.4
    6 orcadian (hgdp) 9.24
    7 hungarian (behar) 10.01
    8 slovenian (xing) 11.6
    9 ukranian (yunusbayev) 17.95
    10 spaniard (behar) 18.99
    11 spaniard (1000genomes) 19.96
    12 romanian-a (behar) 20.44
    13 italian (hgdp) 22.02
    14 belorussian (behar) 22.42
    15 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 22.86
    16 mordovian (yunusbayev) 22.97
    17 russian (behar) 24.65
    18 russian (hgdp) 25.36
    19 spain-basc (henn2012) 27.83
    20 lithuanian (behar) 27.89

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 87% orcadian (hgdp) + 13% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 1.08
    2 89% british (1000genomes) + 11% syrian (behar) @ 1.21
    3 87% orcadian (hgdp) + 13% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 1.24
    4 80.9% orcadian (hgdp) + 19.1% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 1.24
    5 89% british (1000genomes) + 11% palestinian (harappa) @ 1.26
    6 86.4% orcadian (hgdp) + 13.6% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 1.26
    7 85.8% orcadian (hgdp) + 14.2% lebanese (behar) @ 1.27
    8 87.4% orcadian (hgdp) + 12.6% samaritian (behar) @ 1.31
    9 88.9% british (1000genomes) + 11.1% iraqi-arab (harappa) @ 1.35
    10 85.7% orcadian (hgdp) + 14.3% cypriot (behar) @ 1.39
    11 79.8% orcadian (hgdp) + 20.2% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 1.41
    12 89.2% british (1000genomes) + 10.8% jordanian (behar) @ 1.44
    13 90% british (1000genomes) + 10% iraqi-mandaean (harappa) @ 1.45
    14 90% british (1000genomes) + 10% iraq-jew (behar) @ 1.45
    15 83.1% orcadian (hgdp) + 16.9% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 1.46
    16 88.9% british (1000genomes) + 11.1% lebanese (behar) @ 1.48
    17 90.9% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 9.1% iraqi-arab (harappa) @ 1.5
    18 90.1% british (1000genomes) + 9.9% iranian-jew (behar) @ 1.52
    19 86.1% orcadian (hgdp) + 13.9% syrian (behar) @ 1.52
    20 89.4% british (1000genomes) + 10.6% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 1.53
    Yfull [B]ID: YF83218 Medals -> https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-the-Deep-dive
    G25 Distance: 1.0778%
    86.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
    5.2 ITA_Sardinia_C_o:I15940 1.4 ITA_Daunian
    3.6 PAK_Saidu_Sharif_H
    3.6 VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA:VK464

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    When triangulated there are few other names from Spanish and other places that show up as follows which are not from UK or Germany or Scandinavia

    Xander

    guadix
    Gutierrez
    Bruno
    Sivo
    Perez
    Tamez
    Simal

    Karajic
    Yfull [B]ID: YF83218 Medals -> https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-the-Deep-dive
    G25 Distance: 1.0778%
    86.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
    5.2 ITA_Sardinia_C_o:I15940 1.4 ITA_Daunian
    3.6 PAK_Saidu_Sharif_H
    3.6 VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA:VK464

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    Further I get interesting matches like Brandenburg, Graves, Robinson, Robert, Bedal, Mcgill, mccurley, dawson, Mcfarlane, kelly, le corre, sukow, gaylor,costello,peddicord,jones-myers etc... on ancestry.com site
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    Yfull [B]ID: YF83218 Medals -> https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-the-Deep-dive
    G25 Distance: 1.0778%
    86.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
    5.2 ITA_Sardinia_C_o:I15940 1.4 ITA_Daunian
    3.6 PAK_Saidu_Sharif_H
    3.6 VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA:VK464

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