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    Soroca Jew
    N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan
    18.03 9.27 18.63 10.26 34.22 4.58 0 2.06 0 0 0.70 2.25 0

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    N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan
    12.70 12.29 18.18 11.81 36.58 6.51 0.11 1.53 0.15 0 0 0.14 0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ion Basescul View Post
    1/4 Hincesti, 1/4 Edinet and 1/2 Russian from Izmail, Ukraine
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    3/4 Moldovan Ukrainian, 1/4 Poltava oblast Ukraine Ukrainian
    The Ukrainian side from Moldova comes from 2/4 Danu village, 1/4 Malinovscoe. The line from Danu village migrated to Moldova from from Chernivtsi oblast in Ukraine, at the beginning of the 19th century.
    # Population Percent
    1 Baltic 39.14
    2 North_Atlantic 25.5
    3 West_Med 13.68
    4 West_Asian 10.09
    5 East_Med 7.49
    6 Siberian 1.75
    7 East_Asian 0.75
    8 Red_Sea 0.57
    9 Oceanian 0.39
    10 Sub-Saharan 0.3
    11 South_Asian 0.24
    12 Northeast_African 0.1

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Croatian 4.54
    2 Ukrainian_Lviv 4.94
    3 Moldavian 6
    4 Ukrainian 6.1
    5 South_Polish 6.62
    6 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.25
    7 Southwest_Russian 9.28
    8 Polish 9.46
    9 Hungarian 9.67
    10 Russian_Smolensk 10.97
    11 Estonian_Polish 11.78
    12 Belorussian 12.61
    13 East_German 12.69
    14 Serbian 12.98
    15 Kargopol_Russian 13.18
    16 Austrian 13.49
    17 Erzya 14.72
    18 Romanian 16.28
    19 Estonian 16.38
    20 Southwest_Finnish 16.39

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 90.2% Ukrainian + 9.8% Georgian @ 2.26
    2 90.2% Ukrainian + 9.8% Armenian @ 2.27
    3 90.6% Ukrainian + 9.4% Abhkasian @ 2.29
    4 61.8% Moldavian + 38.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.31
    5 88.6% Ukrainian + 11.4% Turkish @ 2.4
    6 50.5% Moldavian + 49.5% Ukrainian @ 2.44
    7 74.9% Moldavian + 25.1% Lithuanian @ 2.46
    8 88.6% Ukrainian + 11.4% Balkar @ 2.47
    9 89.4% Ukrainian + 10.6% Ossetian @ 2.48
    10 66.2% Moldavian + 33.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.49
    11 62.2% Moldavian + 37.8% Southwest_Russian @ 2.56
    12 90.3% Ukrainian + 9.7% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.58
    13 88.9% Ukrainian + 11.1% Adygei @ 2.58
    14 56.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 43.7% Moldavian @ 2.59
    15 92.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 7.4% Armenian @ 2.63
    16 88.3% Ukrainian + 11.7% Kabardin @ 2.63
    17 79.7% Croatian + 20.3% Erzya @ 2.64
    18 88.2% Ukrainian + 11.8% Kumyk @ 2.65
    19 92.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 7.1% Abhkasian @ 2.65
    20 89.2% Ukrainian + 10.8% North_Ossetian @ 2.67

    Distance to: 3/4MDUkr_1/4PoltavaUA
    5.57114889 Ukrainian_Lviv
    6.19121151 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
    6.94096535 Ukrainian
    7.32785780 Moldova_North
    12.41481776 Russian_Smolensk
    12.87198897 Moldova_Centre
    18.88596569 Moldova_South
    20.38859930 RU_Pinega
    22.83558845 Gagauz
    29.13727853 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
    30.21163352 Crimean_Tatar
    44.40600185 Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
    46.24439209 Jewish_Unmixed_Moldova


    Target: 3/4MDUkr_1/4PoltavaUA
    Distance: 2.9412% / 2.94115666 | ADC: 0.25x
    56.0 Ukrainian_Lviv
    22.2 Moldova_North
    10.2 Moldova_Centre
    9.6 Ukrainian
    2.0 Crimean_Tatar
    0.0 Moldova_South
    0.0 Gagauz
    0.0 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
    0.0 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
    0.0 Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
    0.0 Jewish_Unmixed_Moldova
    0.0 RU_Pinega
    0.0 Russian_Smolensk



    Target: 3/4MDUkr_1/4PoltavaUA
    Distance: 2.8850% / 2.88500993 | ADC: 0.25x
    64.2 Ukrainian_Lviv
    24.8 Moldova_Centre
    9.4 Ukrainian
    1.6 Crimean_Tatar
    0.0 Moldova_South
    0.0 Gagauz
    0.0 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
    0.0 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
    0.0 Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
    0.0 Jewish_Unmixed_Moldova
    0.0 RU_Pinega
    0.0 Russian_Smolensk

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    I'm starting to believe that Transnistrian Russians, at least those who haven't come to the region recently, are only cultural Russian, but genetically anything from Moldovan/Romanian to a mix of nations.

    'Member that Transnistrian Russian from Bender/Tighina that someone's donated to me in the old thread and who looked far from being unmixed Russian?

    N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan
    19.49 39.49 12.12 12.18 8.25 0 3.82 1.27 0.87 0.89 1.11 0.51 0

    Now I talked to another person, who was also raised Russophone and Russian, in this case Tiraspol, but genetically could pass as a Moldovan from the North.
    Luckily, in this case I also have the surname, which is of Moldovan/Romanian origin. So who knows how mixed they are, but at least paternally they should be Moldovan/Romanian.

    # Population Percent
    1 Baltic 33.01
    2 North_Atlantic 28.21
    3 West_Med 13.51
    4 East_Med 9.41
    5 West_Asian 8.62
    6 South_Asian 2.53
    7 Siberian 2.33
    8 Red_Sea 1.69
    9 Northeast_African 0.44
    10 Sub-Saharan 0.25

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Croatian 4.11
    2 Moldavian 4.36
    3 Hungarian 4.76
    4 Serbian 8.19
    5 Austrian 8.93
    6 East_German 9.04
    7 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.08
    8 South_Polish 9.46
    9 Ukrainian 10.52
    10 Romanian 12.01
    11 Polish 13.12
    12 Southwest_Russian 14.1
    13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.39
    14 Bulgarian 14.53
    15 Russian_Smolensk 15.45
    16 Estonian_Polish 16.06
    17 West_German 16.34
    18 Belorussian 16.58
    19 Southwest_Finnish 17.15
    20 Kargopol_Russian 17.36

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 84.9% Moldavian + 15.1% Danish @ 2.3
    2 82.6% Moldavian + 17.4% North_Swedish @ 2.31
    3 84.2% Moldavian + 15.8% Swedish @ 2.32
    4 83.1% Moldavian + 16.9% North_German @ 2.34
    5 85.6% Moldavian + 14.4% Norwegian @ 2.37
    6 53% Moldavian + 47% Hungarian @ 2.38
    7 85.4% Moldavian + 14.6% North_Dutch @ 2.45
    8 70.7% Moldavian + 29.3% East_German @ 2.45
    9 86.3% Moldavian + 13.7% Orcadian @ 2.49
    10 87.3% Moldavian + 12.7% West_Scottish @ 2.53
    11 87% Moldavian + 13% Irish @ 2.58
    12 70.9% Moldavian + 29.1% Austrian @ 2.59
    13 86.4% Moldavian + 13.6% Southeast_English @ 2.67
    14 87.5% Moldavian + 12.5% Southwest_English @ 2.72
    15 84.1% Moldavian + 15.9% South_Dutch @ 2.87
    16 69.1% Serbian + 30.9% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.9
    17 83.4% Moldavian + 16.6% West_German @ 2.97
    18 76% South_Polish + 24% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.98
    19 53% Serbian + 47% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.01
    20 72.9% Serbian + 27.1% East_Finnish @ 3.02

    Distance to: Tiraspol
    4.10188981 Moldova_North
    9.60079684 Moldova_Centre
    10.24145009 Ukrainian_Lviv
    11.87092246 Ukrainian
    14.84112866 Moldova_South
    17.45899482 Russian_Smolensk
    19.13915097 Gagauz
    24.93225183 RU_Pinega
    28.20566255 Crimean_Tatar
    28.22675327 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
    39.84608387 Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
    41.52381726 Jewish_Unmixed_Moldova

    Target: Tiraspol
    Distance: 3.5123% / 3.51227425 | ADC: 0.25x
    78.0 Moldova_North
    19.2 Ukrainian_Lviv
    2.8 Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
    0.0 Moldova_Centre
    0.0 Moldova_South
    0.0 Gagauz
    0.0 Ukrainian
    0.0 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
    0.0 Crimean_Tatar
    0.0 Jewish_Unmixed_Moldova
    0.0 RU_Pinega
    0.0 Russian_Smolensk

    If I were to remove Moldova_North, assuming that the local Moldovan profile in Tiraspol is more similar to Centre and South
    Target: Tiraspol
    Distance: 4.4574% / 4.45741077 | ADC: 0.25x
    59.0 Ukrainian_Lviv
    21.8 Moldova_South
    16.0 Moldova_Centre
    3.2 Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
    0.0 Gagauz
    0.0 Ukrainian
    0.0 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
    0.0 Crimean_Tatar
    0.0 Jewish_Unmixed_Moldova
    0.0 RU_Pinega
    0.0 Russian_Smolensk




    I will count her in my spreadsheet as unmixed Moldovan from Transnistria, just because we don't have anyone else from there. But given that she was raised Russophone and to identify as Russian, she is very likely to be of mixed origin. She is more Northern-shifted than that Bender/Tighina Russian. But she is definitely not of unmixed Russian origin.

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    2) or. Nisporeni
    3) Ialoveni, Bardar
    4) 5 Jews
    5) 3 Ukrainians
    6) 1 Roma
    7) Transnistrian from above)


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    Family's distance to the averages from R. Moldova





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    People from Central and North areas still are very homogenous compared to the South after so many samples posted here. I don't think something will change in the future when more and more results will be posted.

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    Family's distance to all samples from 1) Moldavia region, 2) R. Moldova

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspirin View Post
    People from Central and North areas still are very homogenous compared to the South after so many samples posted here. I don't think something will change in the future when more and more results will be posted.
    I think the guys in the South are so too, to the same extent of similarity within the group as those in the Centre and North. There are outliers in every region.

    The obvious outliers in the South are Moldova_76_StefanVoda and Moldova_79_StefanVoda, but the rest are pretty close to each other.


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    From Edinet, family surname seems pretty Moldovan/Romanian to me and the person is Romanophone, but apparently it is the 2nd most popular in Chernivtsi oblast

    # Population Percent
    1 Baltic 31.35
    2 North_Atlantic 24.08
    3 West_Med 16.41
    4 West_Asian 11.3
    5 East_Med 10.19
    6 Red_Sea 2.94
    7 Siberian 2.35
    8 Oceanian 1.04
    9 Amerindian 0.23
    10 Northeast_African 0.12


    Single Population Sharing:


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Moldavian 3.56
    2 Croatian 6.71
    3 Serbian 6.94
    4 Hungarian 9.05
    5 Romanian 9.32
    6 Bulgarian 11.21
    7 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.06
    8 Austrian 12.56
    9 East_German 13.31
    10 South_Polish 13.54
    11 Ukrainian 13.73
    12 Polish 16.78
    13 Southwest_Russian 16.96
    14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.07
    15 Russian_Smolensk 18.66
    16 Tatar 18.92
    17 West_German 19.06
    18 Estonian_Polish 19.37
    19 Greek_Thessaly 19.67
    20 Belorussian 20.13


    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 92.4% Moldavian + 7.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.87
    2 92.8% Moldavian + 7.2% Central_Greek @ 2.91
    3 93.9% Moldavian + 6.1% South_Italian @ 2.94
    4 95.5% Moldavian + 4.5% Ossetian @ 2.94
    5 93.2% Moldavian + 6.8% East_Sicilian @ 2.94
    6 92.3% Moldavian + 7.7% Tuscan @ 2.95
    7 94.9% Moldavian + 5.1% Turkish @ 2.96
    8 93.3% Moldavian + 6.7% West_Sicilian @ 2.97
    9 96% Moldavian + 4% Georgian @ 2.98
    10 95.2% Moldavian + 4.8% Balkar @ 2.98
    11 95.8% Moldavian + 4.2% Sardinian @ 2.99
    12 96.3% Moldavian + 3.7% Abhkasian @ 3.01
    13 96% Moldavian + 4% Armenian @ 3.01
    14 95% Moldavian + 5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.01
    15 95.2% Moldavian + 4.8% Kabardin @ 3.02
    16 92.1% Moldavian + 7.9% North_Italian @ 3.02
    17 95.7% Moldavian + 4.3% North_Ossetian @ 3.04
    18 91.3% Moldavian + 8.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.04
    19 82.7% Moldavian + 17.3% Romanian @ 3.04
    20 95.7% Moldavian + 4.3% Cyprian @ 3.04


    Distance to: Edinet_ind
    4.54684506 Moldova_North
    6.01622805 Moldova_Centre
    10.14687144 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
    10.81313091 Moldova_South
    13.66578209 Ukrainian_Lviv
    14.61045858 Moldova_Gagauz
    14.82105597 Moldova_Bulgarian
    15.51257232 Ukrainian
    21.10153549 Russian_Smolensk
    25.85319129 Crimean_Tatar
    26.58682568 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
    28.12956330 RU_Pinega
    35.36152429 Moldova_Jewish
    36.26067705 Moldova_Roma


    Target: Edinet_ind
    Distance: 3.6308% / 3.63082942 | ADC: 0.25x
    83.0 Moldova_North
    11.6 Moldova_South
    5.4 Crimean_Tatar
    0.0 Moldova_Centre
    0.0 Moldova_Jewish
    0.0 Moldova_Roma
    0.0 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
    0.0 Ukrainian
    0.0 Ukrainian_Lviv
    0.0 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
    0.0 RU_Pinega
    0.0 Russian_Smolensk

    Distance to: Edinet_ind
    3.51909079 Moldova_Straseni
    4.48138371 Moldova_Glodeni
    5.17064793 Moldova_Orhei
    5.22603100 Moldova_Ocnita
    5.27437200 Moldova_Calarasi
    5.63093243 Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
    5.69109831 Moldova_Balti
    6.00970881 Moldova_Eurogenes
    6.28161603 Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
    6.31243218 Moldova_Ialoveni
    6.56342898 Romania_Moldavia_Csango
    6.58572699 Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
    6.58924123 Moldova_Chisinau
    6.72878146 Moldova_Transnistria
    6.93850128 Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
    7.12275228 Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
    7.37913952 Moldova_Cimislia
    7.57624577 Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
    7.69922074 Moldova_Soldanesti
    7.75187074 Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
    8.06176780 Moldova_Ungheni
    8.24074026 Moldova_Falesti
    8.34991617 Moldova_Hincesti
    8.47509292 Moldova_Nisporeni
    8.51269053 Moldova_Edinet


    Target: Edinet_ind
    Distance: 2.2352% / 2.23515499 | ADC: 0.25x
    55.2 Moldova_Straseni
    39.0 Moldova_Glodeni
    5.8 Moldova_Transnistria

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