Do 'racially pure' Latinos really exist in substantial numbers? (Whether White, Black or Amerindian)

[Rocinante]

I bet if you combined all pure Whites, Blacks and Amerindians together they'd be no more than 10% of Venezuela's population. (Colombia even less I'd say, since it didn't have anything like the post-war immigration from Europe that Venezuela had).

Si mantienes un margen de un minimo de 90% de pureza, yo creo que podria superar el 15% de la poblacion, siendo en su mayoria gente blanca y negra.

[SilverKnight]

Having old stock admixture (such as myself) alone makes you "pure Latino" if you wanna consider it that way.

[Tooting Carmen]

Having old stock admixture (such as myself) alone makes you "pure Latino" if you wanna consider it that way.

Then you have misunderstood the question completely. What I meant is are there really substantial numbers (or rather percentages) of Latin Americans who are fully White, fully Black or fully Amerindian? Even Argentina and Uruguay are really Castizo rather than White for the most part, while conversely your country, which is the blackest in Latin America, is still much more racially mixed than Haiti or any English-speaking Caribbean nation.

[SilverKnight]

Then you have misunderstood the question completely. What I meant is are there really substantial numbers (or rather percentages) of Latin Americans who are fully White, fully Black or fully Amerindian? Even Argentina and Uruguay are really Castizo rather than White for the most part, while conversely your country, which is the blackest in Latin America, is still much more racially mixed than Haiti or any English-speaking Caribbean nation.

My bad then.. Gotcha, thats correct it is extremely hard to find a pure black dominican, (and we could completely discard a fully Taino dominican, thats long gone), but I will answer your question now in DR you might find a pure "white" but he or she is probably a 1st generation dominican from some Spaniard, Italian or some form of European who decided to settle down here, I think there's very few cases of pure European dominican I have heard of. Pure black dominican that might be found but in very isolated areas in the east and south of the country, and most likely will be of haitian ancestry. Most "pure black" in DR, are actually haitians. In the rest of Latin America, you might find "pure blacks" in Panama, and the Pacific coast of Colombia, pure White, in the southern Cone, and extremely rare in Mexico. In conclusion, th "purest" population would probably be the Amerind tribes in each respective nation.

[Argentano]

Con respecto a nativo americanos , Si puro es 100% entonces NO. Si "puro" es 90%+ entonces si.

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[kratz]

Blancos y Amerindios sí, hay todavía muchos elementos puros.

Negros no, apenas en Colombia y números marginales en otros países del orden del 1-2% como Venezuela, Brasil, Perú o Cuba. De hecho los negros de países como República Dominicana o Panamá son en su mayoría "importaciones" de Haití o del Caribe inglés, los cuales no son latinos en sentido estricto.

Kratz tiene razón, los blancos (los de verdad) latinoamericanos son muy endógamos en la mayoría de Latinoamérica, a lo sumo emparejan con castizos. Sí hay más mestizaje donde la clase media y baja blanca todavía es abundante como en Argentina, Uruguay o Brasil, pero en cuanto menguen por mestizaje o menores tasas de natalidad que los ya mezclados, entre las clases altas blancas restantes el mestizaje quedará reducido a una mínima expresión anecdótica como sucede en el resto de Latinoamérica. Kratz además vive en Perú, donde este fenómeno es muy marcado y evidente. De hecho las clases medio-altas o altas de origen mezclado tienden a casarse más con extranjeros (norteamericanos o europeos) que con blancos del propio país, salvo las excepciones de Brasil y Argentina de nuevo.

Tu familia precisamente es ejemplo de lo que dice Kratz, casarse con europeos para perpetuar la europeidad y el estatus de la familia, incluso para mejorarlo, simplemente tu existencia le da la razón.

100% De acuerdo con este análisis. Agregaría que muchas veces los Latinos blancos que estudian en el extranjero o viven en el extranjero igual se casan con otros blancos de su misma clase no con Europeos o Estados Unisense. Igual ocurre con los blancos liberales estadounidenses a pesar que son liberales la mayoría solo se casan entre ellos. Y todos viven en "Gated Communities" donde casi no hay ni latinos ni negros. Son solo los de las clases media que hacen dinero los que se casan con Europeos o Estados Unidenses. Conocí a un white nationalist que me dijo que son solo los blancos pobres quienes se casaban con no blancos. Ya que estos blancos pobres ambos esta culturizados como los no blancos y son minoría en estos grupos.


¿Son los Españoles de clase media que se mezclan con Latinos con dinero? ¿La clase media alta y alta Española también es Endógama? Pregunto por qué conoci a una Española era simpática de clases media que me dijo que fue a México porque habia conocido a un chico con dinero que la invito ahi, el chico era mestizo. Quizá la elite de muchos de estos paises Latinos son Españoles o Europeos del este que se mezclan con los Latinos mestizos de dinero. Y ya cuando sus hijos son Castizos solo se casan entre ellos no hay más mestizaje.

[kratz]

Ironically, my mother is one of the very few in her family to have married a foreigner (aside from a cousin living in Spain who married a Spaniard, I cannot think of anyone else who has), and it certainly wasn't for reasons of status or 'whitening' or any nonsense like that. It is a big extended family, mind you. What's more, while it is true that none of my relatives or their partners look Black, at the same time we have the full range from White to Indo-Mestizo among both (and believe it or not, some of my darkest-skinned relatives are also some of my wealthiest). And even the fact there are no Black-looking people in the family is mostly to do with the fact that they live mainly in Bogota and Boyaca, neither of which have large Black populations. (Many European cities have far more Black people than both, and I say that with not a hint of irony or jest).

Once again, while I don't deny Latin America's racial divides, I still think both you and Kratz do exaggerate them and lack any nuance or balance over the issue. The fact is that most Latin Americans (except MAYBE in Argentina or Uruguay, though even there I have my doubts) are mixed-race, which means that you see a range of combinations, facial traits and colours within the same families and friendship circles, since genetics work in very unpredictable ways. In any case, the real issue (which is only very partially correlated to race itself) in the region is socioeconomic inequality - there are deeply impoverished peasants with blonde hair and blue eyes, and more than a few prosperous dark-skinned people.

Duffmann answered your question. You are a product of the "whitening" process even if you are no consciously aware of it. Or if your family is consciously aware. I know wealthy Colombians who married Europeans as well. These traditions of wealthy mestizos marrying Europeans have been going on for a long time. It is unlikely you will see it because American/British Culture is a culture that denies many things and highlights the role of monogamy, love, partners, etc. Its part of the northwestern tradition since it assumes everyone else is northern, white European, however, as new groups start to arrive, these beliefs will have to change. People will marry them on race based on maintaining their status in society. In Latin America and other countries, these myths don't exist, and most people marry for practical purposes like furthering their legacy, strengthening family ties, and perpetuating themselves in power.

[luc2112]

Do 'racially pure' Latinos really exist in substantial numbers? (Whether White, Black or Amerindian)

No!!!

Most Brazilians have some mix, whites ís with Amerindian. The history and composition is different from the USA, USA had more euro immigrants and African Americans are 22% euro only, interracial is more difficult.

Blacks in Brazil if mixed with Amerindians, would be 50% afr / 40 EUR and 10% NAM in general.

[Arepaman]

En Colombia, no creo. Caucasicos puros deben ser menos del 2% de la gente, y tal vez existan aún comunidades nativas en lugares como Vaupés y Guainía que no se han mezclado nunca. Y de pronto algunos afros no mezclados también. Pero todos estos grupos no mezclados son una rareza.

Blancos y Amerindios sí, hay todavía muchos elementos puros.

Negros no, apenas en Colombia y números marginales en otros países del orden del 1-2% como Venezuela, Brasil, Perú o Cuba. De hecho los negros de países como República Dominicana o Panamá son en su mayoría "importaciones" de Haití o del Caribe inglés, los cuales no son latinos en sentido estricto.

Afros puros en Colombia casi no hay. Estudios que se han hecho en el Chocó, que es el area más Africana de Colombia han resultado con un componente 64% Africano en promedio, en muchos casos el fenotipo puede seguir pareciendo bastante oscuro a ese nivel de ancestría africana. Los afros Dominicanos son menos de 50% africanos. Y si comparas una multitud en el Chocó con una multitud en Haití o Senegal te das cuenta de que existen diferencias.

[Tooting Carmen]

Duffmann answered your question. You are a product of the "whitening" process even if you are no consciously aware of it. Or if your family is consciously aware. I know wealthy Colombians who married Europeans as well. These traditions of wealthy mestizos marrying Europeans have been going on for a long time. It is unlikely you will see it because American/British Culture is a culture that denies many things and highlights the role of monogamy, love, partners, etc. Its part of the northwestern tradition since it assumes everyone else is northern, white European, however, as new groups start to arrive, these beliefs will have to change. People will marry them on race based on maintaining their status in society. In Latin America and other countries, these myths don't exist, and most people marry for practical purposes like furthering their legacy, strengthening family ties, and perpetuating themselves in power.

But my point is that most Latin Americans - even many of the seemingly White-looking ones - are mixed-race anyway. Therefore, to talk about racial divisions in the same way as in the US is actually a bit of a nonsense. Even the few blue-eyed and blonde Latin Americans in many cases have some dark-skinned family members. Conversely, most Afro-Latinos are much more admixed than Afro-Americans too, and it shows. Certainly, in Cuba, PR, DR, Panama and the coastal regions of Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador and Brazil, I doubt most normal women think "gosh, that man is 1 shade darker than me and has big lips, therefore is unsuitable to be my boyfriend". The reality is much more fluid and relaxed than that. If you ask our Dominican members here like Daven and SilverKnight, I am sure they would confirm that, notwithstanding the admittedly severe discrimination against Haitian descendants, most Dominicans of all shades and colours happily mix and intermarry. Similarly, I am sure HelloGuys will confirm that, while there is some discrimination in Mexico against pure Amerindians, Mexican families, friendship circles and marriages feature a range of colours and facial features.