GREEKS ARMED FORCES ARE READY FOR WAR WITH TURKEY!!

[Dianatomia]

Fix and make Turkish claims more reasonable, relieve Crete-Rhodes and exclude Kastellorizo from having an extensive EEZ (Like @Marmara said). Turkey is too big to be confined within the current state of EEZ, it is bound to create conflict. But for that to happen Greece needs to recognize Turkey as a legit player in the region, not as an invading force. They need to sit and talk. If they don't, some "genius" Turkish military officer comes up with a "genius" plan to even the scales. There must always be a balance of power, people knew this for centuries and worked diligently to ensure one, Otherwise some "genius" comes up with a great Lebensraum idea.

You don't seem to understand. It is not about exchanging views and opinions. It's about what international law has to offer. Turks may not like it, and they can present all the arguments they want. But they are baseless. The laws which Greece applies to its claims are universal and apply to all nations and institutions. Turkey can present whatever claims they like, and they can change those claims accordingly. But no one will accept them. Greece is serious, steadfast and abides by the law of the seas. Greece's claims hold institutional value. This allow them to perform economic activity on international waters. Turkey has no foot to stand on. Hence the military operations.

[Dianatomia]

Fix and make Turkish claims more reasonable, relieve Crete-Rhodes and exclude Kastellorizo from having an extensive EEZ (Like @Marmara said). Turkey is too big to be confined within the current state of EEZ, it is bound to create conflict. But for that to happen Greece needs to recognize Turkey as a legit player in the region, not as an invading force. They need to sit and talk. If they don't, some "genius" Turkish military officer comes up with a "genius" plan to even the scales. There must always be a balance of power, people knew this for centuries and worked diligently to ensure one, Otherwise some "genius" comes up with a great Lebensraum idea.

You don't seem to understand. It is not about exchanging views and opinions. It's about what international law has to offer. Turks may not like it, and they can present all the arguments they want. But they are baseless. The laws which Greece applies to its claims are universal and apply to all nations and institutions. Turkey can present whatever claims they like, and they can change those claims accordingly. But no one will accept them. Greece is serious, steadfast and abides by the law of the seas. Greece's claims hold institutional value. This allow them to perform economic activity on international waters. Turkey has no foot to stand on. Hence the military operations.

[wvwvw]

While the territorrial waters dispute is whole another issue, Greece's EEZ claims are riddiculuous. Why is it so large in the first place? If Kastellorizo imposes EEZ, then Turkey is basically beleaguered within its territorrial waters. The waters are not justly shared between Greece and Turkey. Why does Greece's EEZ have to border that of Cyprus? What's the justification? Natural habitat, again?

Greece's EEZ claims are backed by the Law of the Sea which is Customary International Law therefore even those who have not signed the treaty are bounded by it!!!

NONE of Turkey's claims are backed by International Law or treaties!!

Turkey does consider the whole Law of the Sea "ridiculous" and voiced her concerns in UNCLO which in turn REJECTED the turkish views. Which is why Turkey to this day does not recognize the Law of the Sea nor accept the juridiction of the International Court of Hague!!!

The waters are not justly shared between Greece and Turkey. Why does Greece's EEZ have to border that of Cyprus?

Cry me a river! The Aegean is not some Ocean with no islands in it. Over 3000 Greek islands are dotted in the Aegean, that's half of Greece! Therefore it can't be "shared" or split in two. Why don't you split Turkey in two and give half of it to Kurdistan?

Greece has over 3000 islands in the Aegean. Turkey only 3, and even those 3 were given to Turkey under the condition Turkey respects their AUTONOMY. Not only Turkey has not respected that but even ethnically cleansed their population which was majoritybGreek!

The treaties EXPLICITLlY define the sea borders between Greece and Turkey.

The treaty if Lausanne CONFINES Turkey that way, and it is only fair since the Turks were among the losers of world war II and Greece among the winners!

It is fair that Greece was granted the Aegean since the Sea has always been an integral part of Greeks since antiquity and has dominated the Mediterranean for millinea. It is vital to Greece's existance and always has been.

Until 100-200 years ago BOTH sides of the Aegean were dominated by Greeks! It is not fair that you ethnically cleansed them and genocided them, it is NOT fair that you occupy half of Cyprus, that you get to keep the islands Imvros and Tenedos despite violating the terms of agreement. It is not fair that you get to keep Istanbul or Agia Sofia!

[wvwvw]

While the territorrial waters dispute is whole another issue, Greece's EEZ claims are riddiculuous. Why is it so large in the first place? If Kastellorizo imposes EEZ, then Turkey is basically beleaguered within its territorrial waters. The waters are not justly shared between Greece and Turkey. Why does Greece's EEZ have to border that of Cyprus? What's the justification? Natural habitat, again?

Greece's EEZ claims are backed by the Law of the Sea which is Customary International Law therefore even those who have not signed the treaty are bounded by it!!!

NONE of Turkey's claims are backed by International Law or treaties!!

Turkey does consider the whole Law of the Sea "ridiculous" and voiced her concerns in UNCLO which in turn REJECTED the turkish views. Which is why Turkey to this day does not recognize the Law of the Sea nor accept the juridiction of the International Court of Hague!!!

The waters are not justly shared between Greece and Turkey. Why does Greece's EEZ have to border that of Cyprus?

Cry me a river! The Aegean is not some Ocean with no islands in it. Over 3000 Greek islands are dotted in the Aegean, that's half of Greece! Therefore it can't be "shared" or split in two. Why don't you split Turkey in two and give half of it to Kurdistan?

Greece has over 3000 islands in the Aegean. Turkey only 3, and even those 3 were given to Turkey under the condition Turkey respects their AUTONOMY. Not only Turkey has not respected that but even ethnically cleansed their population which was majoritybGreek!

The treaties EXPLICITLlY define the sea borders between Greece and Turkey.

The treaty if Lausanne CONFINES Turkey that way, and it is only fair since the Turks were among the losers of world war II and Greece among the winners!

It is fair that Greece was granted the Aegean since the Sea has always been an integral part of Greeks since antiquity and has dominated the Mediterranean for millinea. It is vital to Greece's existance and always has been.

Until 100-200 years ago BOTH sides of the Aegean were dominated by Greeks! It is not fair that you ethnically cleansed them and genocided them, it is NOT fair that you occupy half of Cyprus, that you get to keep the islands Imvros and Tenedos despite violating the terms of agreement. It is not fair that you get to keep Istanbul or Agia Sofia!

[wvwvw]

Fix and make Turkish claims more reasonable, relieve Crete-Rhodes and exclude Kastellorizo from having an extensive EEZ (Like @Marmara said). Turkey is too big to be confined within the current state of EEZ, it is bound to create conflict. But for that to happen Greece needs to recognize Turkey as a legit player in the region, not as an invading force.

So essentially this idiot wants Greece to self-amputate itself just because it stands in the way of Turkish neo-Ottoman megalomaniac plans for domination of the Mediterranean, rather than respect and abibe by the treaties signed which are legally binding by the way.

The Turkish arguments of Lebenraum remind very much Nazi Germany. I am pretty sure Turkey will have the same fate at some point.

Again this is not some small dispute about on whether some small island will have smaller or bigger EEZ.

It's not some disagreement between neighbouring countries. Turkey denies territorial waters and EEZ for all Greek islands including Crete and Cyprus. Essentially these thugs are telling us, "you are standing in our way, therefore you do not exist, you are not a normal country, you must not have sovereign, you must be subordinate to us because that's best for Turkey"

Let's sit and discuss on existing treaties that we signed, just the two of us, because we Turks don't like International courts as they are unfair to our views"

You have to search hard in the whole planet to find a more thuggish country than Turkgypsistan.

Even the United States which has a huge landmass, respect the EEZ of Cuba. Cuba is only 90 miles from the coast of Florida, but the United States did not argue that Cuba, because it is an island, does not have any rights to an EEZ. In fact the United States and Cuba came to an agreement for the delimitation of their respective EEZs using the method of equidistance. Recently, the government of Cuba decided to start oil exploration in its own EEZ and this exploration is taking place 50 miles from the coasts of Florida.

This is the Turkish EEZ, not according to Greece but according to Global Marine Boundaries Database

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Map of the Exclusive Economic Zone of Turkey. Source: Global Marine Boundaries Database, General Dynamics, Herndon, Virginia, USA

[kundur]

From an international maritime legislation viewpoint, Greeks are right to remind that when an island is inhabited, it actually gives entitlement to the enforcement of the 12 nautical miles territorial waters status. It is how China created artificial islands and settled Chinese people onto the uninhabited Spratley islets zone of the South China Sea. Now they have taken over the region and even the USA can't do anything about it.

But Greece is not China, of course. Greece is not superpower, nor it has the same military capabilities to push her agenda as China does by moving entire fleets to the region.

Kastellorizo (notice the Latin origins word) is part of the Dodecanese islands which belonged to Fascist Italy until 1945. It was then ceded to Greeks, which once again had survived and expanded thanks to being a loyal pet to the great powers. A bit like Poland always does.
Hence, the jurisdiction and principles of the Lausannes Treaty of 1923 cannot apply to Kastellorizo and to the other Dodecanese islands.

It is also worth mentioning that Italians and Germans wanted to give the control of those islands to Turkey, but Turkey refused so that Britain and Soviet Russia don't perceive Turkey as an Axis-leaning country. Thus, the Greek ownership of those islands is a matter of regional dispute and the subject of unsettled account between the states of Greece and Turkey. Kastellorizo should be given to Turkey.

[Korialstrasz]

You don't seem to understand. It is not about exchanging views and opinions. It's about what international law has to offer. Turks may not like it, and they can present all the arguments they want. But they are baseless. The laws which Greece applies to its claims are universal and apply to all nations and institutions. Turkey can present whatever claims they like, and they can change those claims accordingly. But no one will accept them. Greece is serious, steadfast and abides by the law of the seas. Greece's claims hold institutional value. This allow them to perform economic activity on international waters. Turkey has no foot to stand on. Hence the military operations.

I perfectly understand but this is not a simple issue. Law is not a force of nature. Law usually changes after experiencing such exceptions. Most of the time law is not comprehensive enough that it satisfies the parties involved. With the current law, I can just throw a rock into the sea and claim that this "island" imposes EEZ. In the time being, yes, Turks should abide by the law. But if you want to avoid conflict then there's more to be done than simply stating the law. Let me reiterate this, I don't support Turkey's method here, but I'm just stating the reasons for this kind of actions. Without considering these, any solution is doomed to fail. That's why you have Turks with gunboats on the sea now.

Cry me a river! The Aegean is not some Ocean with no islands in it. Over 3000 Greek islands are dotted in the Aegean, that's half of Greece! Therefore it can't be "shared" or split in two. Why don't you split Turkey in two and give half of it to Kurdistan?


The treaties EXPLICITLlY define the sea borders between Greece and Turkey.

The treaty if Lausanne CONFINES Turkey that way, and it is only fair since the Turks were among the losers of world war II and Greece among the winners!

It is fair that Greece was granted the Aegean since the Sea has always been an integral part of Greeks since antiquity and has dominated the Mediterranean for millinea. It is vital to Greece's existance and always has been.

Until 100-200 years ago BOTH sides of the Aegean were dominated by Greeks! It is not fair that you ethnically cleansed them and genocided them, it is NOT fair that you occupy half of Cyprus, that you get to keep the islands Imvros and Tenedos despite violating the terms of agreement. It is not fair that you get to keep Istanbul or Agia Sofia!

First, I did not kill anyone and I don't mean to. I don't even like Turkey due to reasons different than yours. Greeks should stop with their victim mentality and get real about it.

The major problem is Kastellorizo and the way it imposes EEZ. Not the GREEK islands in the Aegean. It's very natural that Turkey doesn't like it. Let's not get any grandiose than that. I've been consistently stating that using historical arguments is not a good way to determine your policy (Greeks do it continuously). But everytime I talk to a Greek on these matters, they bring up history and they are very bitter about it. Nobody cares about it anymore, let that sink in.

But most off you are waiting to unleash your bitterness at the first opportunity. Greeks are a huge disappointment to me.

[Dragoon]

Recently I read tensions between
a)Turkey
b)France, Greece, Egypt
c)Russia?

mostly in Med Sea and Libya..

[Annihilus]

[wvwvw]

From an international maritime legislation viewpoint, Greeks are right to remind that when an island is inhabited, it actually gives entitlement to the enforcement of the 12 nautical miles territorial waters status. It is how China created artificial islands and settled Chinese people onto the uninhabited Spratley islets zone of the South China Sea. Now they have taken over the region and even the USA can't do anything about it.

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China and Turkey are the only countries in the world that violate the Law of the Sea and do not respect it. What China is doing is illegal as artificial islands are not entitled to EEZ.

Turkey denies the EEZ of not only small islands like Kastelorizo (which is part of a greater archipelagic whole anyway) but also the EEZ of big populous islands like CRETE, Euboia, Rhodes or Cyprus.

It does so because the EEZ of say Crete, extends over the EEZ of small islands or rocklets. So even if there were no small islands in the Aegean the Greek EEZ would still reach all the way to the Turkish coast.

Turkey is basically saying that all Aegean islands including Crete should not have EEZ. Essentially is asking us to cut them off of the rest of Greece and become subordinate to Turkey. To not have full Greek sovereighty.

Kastellorizo should be given to Turkey.

Kastellorizo has a Greek population, crazy Turk. How about you give us Imvros and Tenedos that you illegally hold. How about you give us our monuments back, or western Turkey which had been ceased to Greece in the treaty of Serves.

How about we take away the status of Museum from the home of Ataturk and transform it into a Museum of Genocide. That would fit it well.