The myth of Bulgar settlement in Macedonia (Kuber's horde)

[Crn Volk]

Your ignorance amazes me more and more with every reply you write. Did I question the validity of the inscription? Do you think all Slavs were allied with the Bulgars? You try to portray Bulgars and Slavs as enemies with your signature. I know your little tricks. It's not the first time you put some stupid ass signature. The reality is that some Slavs were allied with the Bulgars 300 years before Omurtag as you can see from the quote(which is not from Wikipedia btw). Others weren't. The Slavs of Kievan Rus destroyed Eastern Bulgaria and indirectly put an end to the First Bulgarian kingdom. Should I put that on my signature to present the Slavs as enemies of Bulgaria?

Now I see that you changed the other part of your signature to "1942-45 - Macedonians still resist Bulgar occupation". Excuse me. Who liberated you in 1944?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_...n_of_Macedonia

"Under the leadership of the new Bulgarian pro-Soviet government, four Bulgarian armies, 455,000 strong in total, were mobilized and reorganized. By the end of September, the Red Army 3rd Ukrainian Front troops were concentrated at the Bulgarian-Yugoslav border. In the early October 1944 three Bulgarian armies, consisting of around 340,000-man,[99] together with the Red Army reentered occupied Yugoslavia and moved from Sofia to Niš, Skopje and Pristina to blocking the German forces withdrawing from Greece.[100][101] In Macedonia the Bulgarians operated in conjunction with the fighters of the MNLA, but this cooperation did not proceed without difficulties.[102] From 8 October to 19 November, the Stratsin-Kumanovo operation was held and Kratovo, Kriva Palanka, Kumanovo and Skopje[103] were taken. At the same time the Bregalnitsa-Strumica operation was led, and the Wehrmacht was driven from the villages of Delchevo, Kočani, Stip, Strumica and Veles.[104] In parallel, the Kosovo operation was also taking a place, aiming to expel the German forces from Kosovo. Southern and Eastern Serbia, Kosovo and Vardar Macedonia were liberated by the end of November.[105][106] The 3rd Ukrainian Front in collaboration with the People's Liberation Army of Yugoslavia and Bulgarian People's Army carried out the Belgrade Offensive. The 130,000-strong Bulgarian First Army continued to Hungary, driving off the Germans, while the rest moved back to Bulgaria. On a series of maps from Army Group E, showing its withdrawal through Macedonia and Southern Serbia, as well as in the memoirs of its chief of staff, there is almost no indication of Yugoslav Partisan units, but only Bulgarian divisions. Despite these facts, the contribution of Bulgarian troops is still much debated in the Republic of Macedonia for political reasons.[107][108]"

You say that you are fighting "Bulgar occupation" to this day? What occupation? How are you fighting it? By sitting in a chair 14,000 km away from your country and hating on the identity that your ancestors had between 9th and 19th century?

And yet you failed to comment on my previous post, from your same source;

After the operations which ended with the destruction of the Chetniks in Macedonia, the HQ of the MNOV, now acting as supreme commander of the partisan units in Vardar Macedonia, Kosovo and South Morava, decided to engage in three new attacks on the Bulgarian police and administration. On 26 April 1944 the Third Macedonian Assault Brigade together with the Kosovo detachment successfully attacked the city of Ristovac, where 130 Bulgarian soldiers were killed and 20 captured by the Macedonian partisans.

And this

In order to prevent the Germans and Bulgarians from taking total control of the action, the MNOV decided to make surprise attacks on enemy positions and to try to exhaust the enemy any way they could. The 2nd Macedonian Assault Brigade was sent to conduct several actions in Povardarie (central Macedonia) and Pelagonia near Prilep and Bitola. From 25 April until 22 June 1944, the 2nd Macedonian Assault Brigade attacked enemy forces, positions and garrisons at Gradeshnica, Tikveš, Konopishte, Demir Kapija, Strmashevo, Kavadarci and Negotino.[62]

The longest battles were conducted in eastern Macedonia and Pčinja District, where the main German supply lines (Vardar and Morava) and those of the Bulgarians (Skopje-Sofia) were jeopardized. The main forces of the occupying armies were concentrated in that area. This position not only controlled the main communication lines, but positioned them to attack the Macedonian, south Serbian, and Bulgarian resistance movements which were stationed in north-eastern Macedonia. In order to confuse the enemy, the MNOV ordered a surprise attack by the 3rd Macedonian Assault Brigade on the city of Kratovo. After a half-day battle, Kratovo fell into the hands of the partisans.[49]The attack and liberation of Kratovo had a great political and military impact in a time when the Germans and Bulgarians were starting a massive offensive, but it did not stop the Nazis. The 3rd Macedonian Assault Brigade was forced to leave Kratovo three days later, and was involved in many clashes with the Axis armies making while their way 10 km north of Kilkis in Greece. There they rested, reorganized, and started a counter-offensive against the Bulgarians and Germans, battling from Kilkis through eastern Macedonia, passing into Serbia all the way to Crna Trava, where together with the 6th South Moravian Brigade they engaged the enemy in the final battles of this offensive.[60]

You seem to forget the savage fighting between Macedonian Partizans and Bulgarian Axis forces.....

In the two months of fighting during the Spring Offensive the Axis forces suffered many casualties. In western Macedonia there were 672 killed and 76 captured Axis soldiers, in central Macedonia (Povardarie) there were 180 killed and 88 captured, in eastern Macedonia and south-eastern Serbia there were over 1,060 killed and 498 captured. A large amount of weapons and ammunition was seized.[49]

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And yet you failed to comment on my previous post, from your same source;

pro-Yugoslav Macedonian partisans killed Bulgarian soldiers while they were still on the Axis side. So? Also "failing to answer" is very rude of you to say, when I simply didn't notice it. Bad dog!

And this

Again. Bulgarians on the Axis side fighting with pro-Yugoslav Macedonian partisans. What do I have to say? Good job fighting for the communists? Anyway, on 27 August Bulgaria announces neutrality. On 9 September the communists take over Bulgaria. Between October and November 455,000 Bulgarian soldiers destroy the German army in Macedonia and Serbia. You're welcome.

You seem to forget the savage fighting between Macedonian Partizans and Bulgarian Axis forces.....

I can't forget something I didn't know. Here, now I know it. Is that something that you're proud of? Your partisans killed 2,000 Bulgarian soldiers. Good job! 2,000 of the same soldiers who liberated you in 1944. We "invaded" you in 1941 without spilling a single drop of blood. Germany was going to run over you anyways. Same was going to happen to us if we weren't on their side. Bulgaria built your first university and 800 schools. Bulgarian soldiers killed only partisans who opposed them. Bulgaria didn't even fight on the Eastern Front. Bulgarian soldiers did more work on the side of the Allies in 1944. That's the only time when the full Bulgarian army was mobilized. Our main battles on the side of the Axis were by the Bulgarian Air Force over Bulgarian sky and they fought like fucking beasts :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_Air_Force (for some reason redirect to WW2 hides the link when posted)

"In total, about 23,000 enemy sorties were registered over Bulgaria in the years 1943–1944. Bulgarian pilots fought an enemy outnumbering them by 10 to 50 times. Some of the best pilots were Lieutenant Stoyanov, Captain Toplodolski, and Sub-Lieutenants Bochev, Cvetkov, and Damev.[10] 19 Bulgarian pilots died in this war against the Allies. The Allies lost 60 planes, shot down by Bulgarian fighters and about 430 airmen, 325 of which were taken as POWs.[18]"

And these air battles happened mainly because our government decided that this is a good idea(or probably was pressured to do it, who knows) - "To show support for the Axis, the Bulgarian government declared a token war on the United Kingdom and the United States on 13 December 1941, an act which resulted in the bombing of Sofia and other Bulgarian cities by Allied aircraft from 1941.[4]"

Then they bombed the shit out of Sofia in the following years - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombin...n_World_War_II

Anyways, here are some more photos like my signature :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_...acedonians.jpg

You will surely recognize the poster in the middle. Read the poster on the left of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_...April_1941.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_...itola-1941.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_...Lesev_1942.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_...r_13,_1944.jpg

And now an actual picture of the Macedonians in Skopje from 1945 :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_...je,_1945_7.jpg

By some unknown miracle I understand every word on the poster "Вечна слава на падналите герои за свободата на демократска-федеративна Югославия"

Disclaimer - I'm not a nazi and I don't support that ideology in any way.

[Crn Volk]

Maps of Proto-Bulgar necropolises





Proto-Bulgar fortresses



None in Macedonia

[Crn Volk]

[Novi Pazar]

East Asian admixture? What about those Asian eye folds found in some western euro countries? Ng suffixes are prominent in Germanic language groups, so go figure.