The myth of Bulgar settlement in Macedonia (Kuber's horde)

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Georgi Dimitrov was a dumb greedy communist bastard and one of worst leaders of Bulgaria. Also the Bulgarian Communist Party was a puppet of the USSR and they initially wanted independent Macedonia as you saw from my quotes. They changed their mind only when Tito stopped obeying them and started doing his own thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgi_Dimitrov

"The idea eventually resulted in the 1947 Bled accord, signed by Dimitrov and Tito, which called for abandoning frontier travel barriers, arranging for a future customs union, and Yugoslavia's unilateral forgiveness of Bulgarian war reparations. The preliminary plan for the federation included the incorporation of the Blagoevgrad Region ("Pirin Macedonia") into the People's Republic of Macedonia and the return of the Western Outlands from Serbia to Bulgaria. In anticipation of this, Bulgaria accepted teachers from Yugoslavia who started to teach the newly codified Macedonian language in the schools in Pirin Macedonia and issued the order that the Bulgarians of the Blagoevgrad Region should claim а Macedonian identity.[11]

However, differences soon emerged between Tito and Dimitrov with regard to both the future joint country and the Macedonian question. Whereas Dimitrov envisaged a state where Yugoslavia and Bulgaria would be placed on an equal footing and Macedonia would be more or less attached to Bulgaria, Tito saw Bulgaria as a seventh republic in an enlarged Yugoslavia tightly ruled from Belgrade.[12] Their differences also extended to the national character of the Macedonians – whereas Dimitrov considered them to be an offshoot of the Bulgarians,[13] Tito regarded them as an independent nation which had nothing to do whatsoever with the Bulgarians.[14] Thus the initial tolerance for the Macedonization of Pirin Macedonia gradually grew into outright alarm.

By January 1948, Tito's and Dimitrov's plans had become an obstacle to Stalin's aspirations for total control over the new Eastern Bloc.[10] Stalin invited Tito and Dimitrov to Moscow regarding the recent rapprochement between the two countries. Dimitrov accepted the invitation, but Tito refused, and sent Edvard Kardelj, his close associate, instead.[10] The resulting fall-out between Stalin and Tito in 1948 gave the Bulgarian Government an eagerly-awaited opportunity of denouncing Yugoslav policy in Macedonia as expansionistic and of revising its policy on the Macedonian question.[15] The ideas of a Balkan Federation and a United Macedonia were abandoned, the Macedonian teachers were expelled and teaching of Macedonian throughout the province was discontinued. Despite the fallout, Yugoslavia did not reverse its position on renouncing Bulgarian war reparations, as defined in the 1947 Bled accord."

Bulgaria will recognize the Macedonian language and ethnicity when Macedonia recognizes the Bulgarian origin of the Macedonian language and ethnicity, coupled with Samuil, Kliment Ohridski(and the rest medieval Bulgarians who you claim as Macedonians). The early VMRO revolutionaries can still be considered Macedonians, but coupled with the Bulgarian national identity they possessed.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Int...y-Organization

"IMRO was founded in 1893 in Thessaloníki; its early leaders included Damyan Gruev, Gotsé Delchev, and Yane Sandanski, men who had a Macedonian regional identity and a Bulgarian national identity."

You say that Bulgaria is "alone in not recognizing today's reality". We see the reality very clearly. Macedonian became different enough to be considered a separate language. Propaganda went a long way and you became a separate ethnicity. When Macedonia recognizes the past, Bulgaria will recognize the present.

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By the way, from the same Georgi Dimitrov link :

"The preliminary plan for the federation included the incorporation of the Blagoevgrad Region ("Pirin Macedonia") into the People's Republic of Macedonia and the return of the Western Outlands from Serbia to Bulgaria. In anticipation of this, Bulgaria accepted teachers from Yugoslavia who started to teach the newly codified Macedonian language in the schools in Pirin Macedonia and issued the order that the Bulgarians of the Blagoevgrad Region should claim а Macedonian identity.[11]"

Here is where the "Macedonian minority" in Blagoevgrad came from. Now I see.

[Crn Volk]

Georgi Dimitrov was a dumb greedy communist bastard and one of worst leaders of Bulgaria. Also the Bulgarian Communist Party was a puppet of the USSR and they initially wanted independent Macedonia as you saw from my quotes. They changed their mind only when Tito stopped obeying them and started doing his own thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgi_Dimitrov

"The idea eventually resulted in the 1947 Bled accord, signed by Dimitrov and Tito, which called for abandoning frontier travel barriers, arranging for a future customs union, and Yugoslavia's unilateral forgiveness of Bulgarian war reparations. The preliminary plan for the federation included the incorporation of the Blagoevgrad Region ("Pirin Macedonia") into the People's Republic of Macedonia and the return of the Western Outlands from Serbia to Bulgaria. In anticipation of this, Bulgaria accepted teachers from Yugoslavia who started to teach the newly codified Macedonian language in the schools in Pirin Macedonia and issued the order that the Bulgarians of the Blagoevgrad Region should claim а Macedonian identity.[11]

However, differences soon emerged between Tito and Dimitrov with regard to both the future joint country and the Macedonian question. Whereas Dimitrov envisaged a state where Yugoslavia and Bulgaria would be placed on an equal footing and Macedonia would be more or less attached to Bulgaria, Tito saw Bulgaria as a seventh republic in an enlarged Yugoslavia tightly ruled from Belgrade.[12] Their differences also extended to the national character of the Macedonians – whereas Dimitrov considered them to be an offshoot of the Bulgarians,[13] Tito regarded them as an independent nation which had nothing to do whatsoever with the Bulgarians.[14] Thus the initial tolerance for the Macedonization of Pirin Macedonia gradually grew into outright alarm.

By January 1948, Tito's and Dimitrov's plans had become an obstacle to Stalin's aspirations for total control over the new Eastern Bloc.[10] Stalin invited Tito and Dimitrov to Moscow regarding the recent rapprochement between the two countries. Dimitrov accepted the invitation, but Tito refused, and sent Edvard Kardelj, his close associate, instead.[10] The resulting fall-out between Stalin and Tito in 1948 gave the Bulgarian Government an eagerly-awaited opportunity of denouncing Yugoslav policy in Macedonia as expansionistic and of revising its policy on the Macedonian question.[15] The ideas of a Balkan Federation and a United Macedonia were abandoned, the Macedonian teachers were expelled and teaching of Macedonian throughout the province was discontinued. Despite the fallout, Yugoslavia did not reverse its position on renouncing Bulgarian war reparations, as defined in the 1947 Bled accord."

Bulgaria will recognize the Macedonian language and ethnicity when Macedonia recognizes the Bulgarian origin of the Macedonian language and ethnicity, coupled with Samuil, Kliment Ohridski(and the rest medieval Bulgarians who you claim as Macedonians). The early VMRO revolutionaries can still be considered Macedonians, but coupled with the Bulgarian national identity they possessed.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Int...y-Organization

"IMRO was founded in 1893 in Thessaloníki; its early leaders included Damyan Gruev, Gotsé Delchev, and Yane Sandanski, men who had a Macedonian regional identity and a Bulgarian national identity."

You say that Bulgaria is "alone in not recognizing today's reality". We see the reality very clearly. Macedonian became different enough to be considered a separate language. Propaganda went a long way and you became a separate ethnicity. When Macedonia recognizes the past, Bulgaria will recognize the present.

The origin of the Macedonian language lies in the language of Sklavenoi who settled Macedonia in the 6th-7th centuries, not a Asiatic Bulgar tribe. Those Bulgars spoke a different language to the Slavs and indeed a different language to the Slavic speakers of Bulgaria and Macedonia today. It is absurd to insist on us accepting Bulgar roots, when that is completely false. You need accept that your roots are Slavs and Thracians, which is indeed why Macedonians and Bulgarians are so alike today. The Bulgar name is not a unifying name. It is divisive and false to claim that either of us are descended from those people. We do not carry this confusing name and never will. Paisii should have left the Bulgar name in the dust bin of history (like that of the Avars) and not revived it in the 18th century.

[Crn Volk]

By the way, from the same Georgi Dimitrov link :

"The preliminary plan for the federation included the incorporation of the Blagoevgrad Region ("Pirin Macedonia") into the People's Republic of Macedonia and the return of the Western Outlands from Serbia to Bulgaria. In anticipation of this, Bulgaria accepted teachers from Yugoslavia who started to teach the newly codified Macedonian language in the schools in Pirin Macedonia and issued the order that the Bulgarians of the Blagoevgrad Region should claim а Macedonian identity.[11]"

Here is where the "Macedonian minority" in Blagoevgrad came from. Now I see.

Let's see what the CIA discovered about Ivan Mihailov and his dealings with the Yugoslavs

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingr...00040009-1.pdf

[PAGANE]

I hope and believe that soon Bulgaria and Albania will have a common border

[Crn Volk]

I hope and believe that soon Bulgaria and Albania will have a common border

Keep dreaming

[renaissance12]

Attila is a national hero in Hungary or Bulgary ?

[PAGANE]

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I'm not dreaming, I'm a realist. And here waving my NATO flag is irrelevant. The process will take place internally.

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I'm not dreaming, I'm a realist. And here waving my NATO flag is irrelevant. The process will take place internally. Option 1 - Albanians will actually become the majority in Northern Macedonia and joining Albania is 99% likely. Moreover, Albania can join the EU before Northern Macedonia (if it becomes an EU member at all).
Option 2- Northern Macedonia joins Bulgaria / through a referendum or other legitimate decision / on the principle of a federation, confederation or simply as a return to its roots. This automatically becomes a member of the EU
Option 3- also as option 2, but joins Greece and then you can rightly call yourself Macedonians and claim ancient history as part of the Greek people. I hope only the Greeks want you
Option 4- You remain as you are today, full of hatred, stealing foreign history and outside the EU
Option 5- You make a new little Yugoslavia with Serbia. You are about to bring the Serbs into NATO and with that you will feel big and great
As you can see in 2 of these 5 options we will have a common border with Albania, I even allow 3 of the 5 options to happen

[kundur]

Albanians are majority in north-western part of Macedonia. The south-western part, until Ohrid Lake still has a Bulgarian/Fyromian majority.
In addition, the Albanians have the political disadvantage of being Muslim since being Muslim is not helpful in the international arena. Their cause would not get international support. Especially if people like Serbs start propagating photos of women in burqa, or guys shouting slogans in Arabic language, the Albanians would be isolated. Albanians don't have historical state in that region, and thus do not have a right to their own administration either.


Bulgars can thus take the whole of Macedonia without any Albanian separatist Supremacist action to be taken serious. If Albanians create issue, you ship them to Kosovo or to their mainland.

There are many ways to take over a country. Sending the army is out of date (except for Jews who can afford to do in Palestine since Jews have strong international influence). If Bulgarians want to recover their ancestral lands around Ohrid, there are many ways this can be done internally.
Bulgaria might resort to acquiring help from a country which has experience in this field, actually there is one that doesn't lie far away from Bulgaria...