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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenma de Pegasus View Post
    I am curious about the surname Toledo, is it common in Portugal or its just another name common in Brazil but actually from Spain?
    Around 1 in 3.4k Brazilians have the surname Toledo, 1 in 31k Portuguese, and 1 in 2.5k Spaniards.

    https://forebears.io/surnames/toledo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Around 1 in 3.4k Brazilians have the surname Toledo, 1 in 31k Portuguese, and 1 in 2.5k Spaniards.

    https://forebears.io/surnames/toledo
    Thanks, so thats really via Spain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Yes, Pelé. His parents were Basque, from the village of Gixajo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenma de Pegasus View Post
    Its a big thing everywhere, Sao Paulo, Parana and Bahia received a lot of recent spaniards, all the country has a lot of spanish colonial ancestry. I have some ancestors by father and mother that came from Galicia and Navarra to the colony.

    Spanish surnames are also common in Brazil, they are mostly absorbed together with other iberian surnames. Spanish people were very absorbed by the white colonial mass since the first beggining, unlike italians or germans that at first created their onw villages.

    I am curious about the surname Toledo, is it common in Portugal or its just another name common in Brazil but actually from Spain?

    The spanish ancestry of Brazil is direct via Spain, maybe Rio Grande do Sul and Mato Grosso do Sul have some spanish via our neighbors. You havent heard about spanish ancestry? Brazilians too. They are considered together as portugueses due to be very similar and rapidly desapeared inside groups already in Brazil for generations. Even them spaniards are very old in Brazil, they participated even in the expasion of Portuguese America during Iberian Union, so yes, its many centuries of absorption among us.
    wtf? spanish in brazil= são paulo state

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenma de Pegasus View Post
    Thanks, so thats really via Spain.
    Yes, Toledo is a Spanish surname, what did you expect? dont you know the city of Toledo in Spain?

    This being said, MAAAAAAAANY Jews adopted that surname and other similar as own, Toledano. And maaaany Jews fled America...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Yes, Toledo is a Spanish surname, what did you expect? dont you know the city of Toledo in Spain?

    This being said, MAAAAAAAANY Jews adopted that surname and other similar as own, Toledano. And maaaany Jews fled America...
    I know, thats exactly my point. Most brazilians would take this as just another portuguese surname of persons with portuguese/brazilian ancestry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Yes, Toledo is a Spanish surname, what did you expect? dont you know the city of Toledo in Spain?

    This being said, MAAAAAAAANY Jews adopted that surname and other similar as own, Toledano. And maaaany Jews fled America...
    toledo origins in brazil:
    http://jlnogueira.no.comunidades.net/toledo

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    I know a Brazilian with the surname "Aragão". Is it more Spanish or more Portuguese??
    I thought Aragon was a region in Spain?

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    Brazil received a significant number of Spanish immigration during the XX century, particularly to the state of Sao Paulo. The largest group being Andalusians, followed by Galicians. The city of Santos in particular had a very large number of Spaniards, and unlike the city of Sao Paulo was almost exclusively Iberian in nature with the majority of the immigrants there being from Portugal and Spain. They were traditionally the third largest European immigrant group to arrive in Brazil though they were still outnumbered by Portuguese and Italians.

    Below are the figures for Spanish-born individuals living in Brazil during the 1920, 1940, 1950 and 1970 censuses, with the figures for the top five states for Spanish-born inhabitants during that respective census.

    1920 219,142
    São Paulo 171,289
    Rio de Janeiro 23,121
    Minas Gerais 6,809
    Rio Grande do Sul 5,359
    Pará 3,355

    1940: 160,551
    São Paulo 130,274
    Rio de Janeiro 14,801
    Paraná 3,719
    Rio Grande do Sul 3,208
    Minas Gerais 3,199

    1950: 131,600
    São Paulo: 102,671
    Rio de Janeiro: 12,887
    Paraná 6,683
    Bahia 2,509
    Rio Grande do Sul 2,249

    1970:
    São Paulo 94,477
    Rio de Janeiro 18,111
    Paraná 7,343
    Bahia 3,225
    Rio Grande do Sul 2,366

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Yes, Toledo is a Spanish surname, what did you expect? dont you know the city of Toledo in Spain?

    This being said, MAAAAAAAANY Jews adopted that surname and other similar as own, Toledano. And maaaany Jews fled America...
    The colonies were utile to deport undesirables, lots of jews, criminals and gipsies were used to colonize Brazil. Gipsies were not even allowed to become citizens until the mid 19th century and they were systematically deported, that's why we have much less calés than you but now everyone is Portuguese. It's all fucked up Viejo.

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