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    Default R1a-Z93 > Z2125 (Lots of new samples added to the tree)

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2125/

    Lots of samples from Russia,Central Asia & South Central Asia have been added. Aswell as Caucasus and Hungary.

    The ones from Russia are mainly from Bashkir and Tatars. Hungarians seem to share this clade.

    In Caucasus there have been Chechens, Cherkess and Kabardians/Balkars samples added. Aswell as Adygheans and other Caucasus groups.

    Also lots of new samples from Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Turkmenistan.
    Last edited by Kyp; 07-28-2020 at 08:30 AM.

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    These are from the recent Arpad study.


    muh iranic hungarians

    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    It's highest also in Kyrgyz people(who are 66% Mongoloid on average), right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
    Good observation Sheikh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sora View Post
    It's highest also in Kyrgyz people(who are 66% Mongoloid on average), right?
    yes but also in Pashtuns and Pamiris I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyp
    yes but also in Pashtuns and Pamiris I think
    I guess ancient Turkics were mainly mix of R1a/R1b Steppe men and Mongoloid(A,C,D,G) women. Because most of Gokturk, Hun, Xiongnu, Karluk & Kipchak samples have Caucasoid ydna & Mongoloid mtdna. Of course there are samples who had Mongoloid ydna & Caucasoid mtdna but they were rarer than vice versa.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiongnu#Genetics

    https://turkishdnaproject.com/orta-c...ten-orta-caga/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
    Good observation Sheikh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyp View Post
    yes but also in Pashtuns and Pamiris I think
    Not in Tajiks. Tajiks are not as heavily R1a as Pashtuns. Afghan Tajiks are 25-30% R1a, I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sora View Post
    It's highest also in Kyrgyz people(who are 66% Mongoloid on average), right?
    Yes, it's 45-65% in them (R1a).
    One study from Di Cristofaro et al. (2013) reported the results of analysis of the Y-DNA of 132 Kyrgyz individuals from Kyrgyzstan (40 from Central Kyrgyzstan, 37 from Northwest Kyrgyzstan, 35 from East Kyrgyzstan, and 20 from Southwest Kyrgyzstan), finding that they belonged to haplogroup R (78/132 = 59.1%, including 72/132 = 54.5% R1a-M198/M17, 3/132 = 2.3% R1b-L23(xU106, S116, U152), 2/132 = 1.5% R1b-M478/M73, and 1/132 = 0.76% R-M207(xR1a-SRY1532.2, R1b-M343, R2-M479)), haplogroup C2-M217 (26/132 = 19.7%, including 11/132 = 8.3% C-M401, 7/132 = 5.3% C-M532(xM86, M504, M546, M401), 7/132 = 5.3% C-M86, and 1/132 = 0.76% C-M386/PK2(xM407, M532)), haplogroup O (8/132 = 6.1%, including 5/132 = 3.8% O-M134(xM117), 2/132 = 1.5% O-M122(xKL2, P201), and 1/132 = 0.76% O-M95), haplogroup J (7/132 = 5.3%, including 2/132 = 1.5% J2a-P55(xM530, M322, M67), 1/132 = 0.76% J2a-M410(xP55), 1/132 = 0.76% J2a-M67(xM92), 1/132 = 0.76% J2b-M241, 1/132 = 0.76% J1-Page8, and 1/132 = 0.76% J1-M267(xPage8, short DYS388)), haplogroup N (6/132 = 4.5%, including 5/132 = 3.8% N-M231(xP43, Tat) and 1/132 = 0.76% N-P43), haplogroup G (2/132 = 1.5%, including 1/132 = 0.76% G2a-P16 and 1/132 = 0.76% G2a-P303), haplogroup L (2/132 = 1.5%, including 1/132 = 0.76% L-M76 and 1/132 = 0.76% L-M357), haplogroup E-M81 (1/132 = 0.76%), haplogroup H-M82 (1/132 = 0.76%), and haplogroup Q-M346 (1/132 = 0.76%).
    Depending on the geographical location of samples, West Eurasian mtDNA haplogroup lineages make up 27% to 42.6% in the Kyrgyz.[37] with Haplogroup mtDNA H being the most predominant marker at 21.3% among the Kyrgyz. The majority of Kyrgyz belong to East Eurasian mtDNA haplogroups, with Haplogroup mtDNA D being the most frequent lineage.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrgyz_people#Genetics
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sora View Post
    I guess ancient Turkics were mainly mix of R1a/R1b Steppe men and Mongoloid(A,C,D,G) women. Because most of Gokturk, Hun, Xiongnu, Karluk & Kipchak samples have Caucasoid ydna & Mongoloid mtdna. Of course there are samples who had Mongoloid ydna & Caucasoid mtdna but they were rarer than vice versa.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiongnu#Genetics

    https://turkishdnaproject.com/orta-c...ten-orta-caga/
    Do you mean with caucasoid men just ydna or also the autosomal dna?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bender1999
    Do you mean with caucasoid men just ydna or also the autosomal dna?
    Just ydna. In autosomal dna, it's more complicated. Ancient Turkic peoples were between 25%-60% Mongoloid and the rest being mainly Caucasoid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
    Good observation Sheikh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sora View Post
    Just ydna. In autosomal dna, it's more complicated. Ancient Turkic peoples were between 25%-60% Mongoloid and the rest being mainly Caucasoid.
    Agree with that.

    Btw i read Ottomans and Göktürks belonged also to this haplogroup. I doubt about Gökturks not because it is unrealistic but not enough evidences. It looks like every noble dynasty had this haplogroup haha.

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