R1a-Z93 > Z2125 (Lots of new samples added to the tree)

[Illyrius]

I guess ancient Turkics were mainly mix of R1a/R1b Steppe men and Mongoloid(A,C,D,G) women. Because most of Gokturk, Hun, Xiongnu, Karluk & Kipchak samples have Caucasoid ydna & Mongoloid mtdna. Of course there are samples who had Mongoloid ydna & Caucasoid mtdna but they were rarer than vice versa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiongnu#Genetics

https://turkishdnaproject.com/orta-c...ten-orta-caga/

Some say that the gokturks were blond and red haired people. Is that true?

[Illyrius]

These are from the recent Arpad study.


muh iranic hungarians

Everyone knows R1a Z93 is a proto Albanian marker

[Arhat]

There are plenty of Arab Z2125

R1a-Z93 is around 1-3% among Arabs and only higher in the Gulf region where arabs are very mixed. On Yfull Arabs are overrepresentef so no there is not much Arab Z2125

[Rethel]

Some say that the gokturks were blond and red haired people. Is that true?

At least Kirgizes were gingers.
It is obviously not the original altaic trait, but whatever the original bearers of turcic languages were, there weret white, and their medieval whiteness comes from assimilated scythian and tocharian peoples, which even today contain 1/3 of them. It is also worthy of reminding that the first khaganates were created, ruled and adminitrated by Iranians, and that chief clans in majority of turcic tribes are of IE Iranian provenance includeing Arpads, Ashinas and postJochi (from Merkaite chieftain) khans.

[Chelubey]

It is also worthy of reminding that the first khaganates were created, ruled and adminitrated by Iranians, and that chief clans in majority of turcic tribes are of IE Iranian provenance includeing Arpads, Ashinas and postJochi (from Merkaite chieftain) khans.

Stop spreading marginal concepts,pls.

[Chelubey]

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[Rethel]

Stop spreading marginal concepts,pls.

What is wrong in what I said?

[Chelubey]

What is wrong in what I said?

The ancient Turks did not know "Ashina" dynasty/clan (this is a Chinese transcription). We do not know the original sound of this word and what it means.
Possibly this word is contained in the title of the Bulgarian king https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Asen_I_of_Bulgaria
Then

Asen came from a Turkic word meaning "sound, safe, healthy"

There is no data that Arpad spoke Iranic language and so on.

[Mejgusu]

Some say that the gokturks were blond and red haired people. Is that true?

No, but one of the first Chinese sources about Turks claimed there are tribes with red hairs.

[Rethel]

The ancient Turks did not know "Ashina" dynasty/clan (this is a Chinese transcription). We do not know the original sound of this word and what it means.

Who cares how it was pronounced. My post which you negated, wasn't about this.

There is no data that Arpad spoke Iranic language and so on.

Did I say so? You are contradicting a non existing statement of mine.