% of Black population in European countries

[Samnium]

If for example if there is a conflict between their religiosity and the secularism(laicism?) of the values of the French state, if they socialize with the natives, if they adapt local customs as their own, if they feel French ahead of their former countries of origin.

What percentage could you consider to be simply French with a different religion (not in traits) or would you consider that you could not even consider them French?

Ethnically they wouldn't be French, not even the slightest. To me the "cut-off" point is to be half/half, and the other half being euro. I could accept a minority of them, if they are respectuous of the laws and that they don't provock problems but they will never be French.

Do these percentages change depending on whether they are second or third generation immigrants? That is, does it improve the integration of children and grandchildren already born in France to those who arrived from other countries directly?

They are still not "integrated" (if it means anything) to France, even after generations and generations.

[Tooting Carmen]

Ethnically they wouldn't be French, not even the slightest. To me the "cut-off" point is to be half/half, and the other half being euro. I could accept a minority of them, if they are respectuous of the laws and that they don't provock problems but they will never be French.




They are still not "integrated" (if it means anything) to France, even after generations and generations.

Would you not regard even Rachida Dati or Zinedine Zidane as 'integrated'? Your definition of who can be accepted as fully French is quite convenient - so someone who is 50% French 25% Russian 25% Greek is fine, but someone who is 90% French 10% Japanese or Nigerian isn't?

[dydyflorent36]

Roughly the same as what I estimate for France, 25% of "diversity".

So 1 in 4 people in France are non-white? That's a little bit of an exaggeration. I've been in Brittany, Picardy, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, Normandy, Ardèche and rarely saw any Arabs or Blacks, just a handful. They mostly reside in the banlieues on the outskirts of the big cities and towns.

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[blueberry99]

Don't exaggerate now. 25% could well be the figure once you include ALL non-whites, but not just Black and mixed-race people. I'd estimate 10% of the UK population to be of South Asian origin, around 5% to be Black, another 5% mixed-race people of various sorts, and another 5% of other ethnic groups (Chinese, Arabs, Turks etc).

The projections for England in the census next year state a BAME proportion of at least 20%. Considering whites from other countries, the white British population would be 75% at best, probably a bit lower.

London's BAME population will be close to a half (45-50%) and only 1 in 3 will be White British; the difference will be Whites from other countries.

Birmingham and some others will join Leicester in having a BAME-majority population.

Also consider that the BAME population is much younger and urban than the White population so the average school in most cities will have White British students making up a small fraction of total students.

You can also boost the above figures by at least 10% if you consider younger adults aged 18-39 (i.e. almost one-third across the country as a whole being BAME).

[Melki]

Not all Blacks are immigrants in France.

Keep in mind that France is not restricted to Europe only. It's one of the countries in the world with the most overseas districts and territories. All the residents living there have full French citizenship and are not considered as migrants.

-Guadeloupe, Martinique, French Guiana (populated by Blacks, Mulattos, native Amazonian tribes, Asians and whites) in the Americas, Reunion (Mulattos, Indians, Whites and former African slaves) and Mayotte (mostly Blacks) in the Indian Ocean are 100% French lands, as much French as Alaska and Hawaii are full parts of the United States or the Canary are Spanish islands.

-there are also the territories and collectivities of New Caledonia (where white people are more numerous than indigenous Kanaks), French Polynesia, Wallis and Futuna, Saint-Pierre and Miquelon (populated by ethnic Bretons, Normans and Basques exclusively), Saint Martin (the only part of France where English is more spoken than French) and Saint Barthelemy (which houses a majority of white people).
These territories are as much part of France as Greenland and Faroe Islands are Danish, or Puerto Rico and Guam belong to the US.

-several remote Islands and uninhabited barren rocks in the Subantarctic Ocean, the Pacific or the Indian Ocean, providing a lot of maritime zones to France, virtually the most extended nation on the world after the US.

Under these conditions, expect to see more diversity than in a landlocked country of the Balkans.

[Cristiano viejo]

Africa starts at the Pyrenees indeed

[Rocinante]

Delicate situation in France



I'm not racist but thank God it is less than 1% in Spain, but Madrid is full of them (Top Mantas).

[Blondie]

In Hungary these blacks live almost only in Budapest and they go to West after university, so their number is not growing although the migration from Nigeria is continuous. 99,99% of local blacks are nigerian, i don't know why they came only from Nigeria.

[Melki]

Africa starts at the Pyrenees indeed

You know, when this expression was first coined in 19th Century's France, it was a clear reference to Spain.

Furthermore, here's what Dominique Dufour de Pradt wrote in his essay Mémoires historiques sur la Révolution d'Espagne (1816):

"It is an error of geography to have assigned Spain to Europe; it belongs to Africa: blood, manners, language, the way of life and making war, in Spain everything is African. The two nations have been mixed up for too long–the Carthaginians who came from Africa to Spain, the Vandals who left Spain for Africa, the Moors who stayed in Spain for 700 years–for such a long cohabitation not to have confused the race and customs of the two countries. If the Spaniard were Mohammedan, he would be completely African; it is religion that has kept it in Europe."

https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%...n_los_Pirineos

[luc2112]

Brazil has 20% SSA (genetic pool) and 15% Amerindian, more than 50% of the population Pardo. Colonial cities look like a "New Orleans" here a little complicated...