Forest Finns were not of Finnish ancestry, says a large Wikipedia description

[Finnish Swede]

[Lemminkäinen]

The point is that Savonians and Lutheran West Karelians and Orthodox Karelians were all essentially the same people. I doubt they suddenly started killing each other because one identified as Swedes and the other as Russians. It was rather because religious frenzy, fed by teh evul Church.

No, it was purely politics. Religions were only a good apparatus to do it.

[Harkonnen]

No, it was purely politics. Religions were only a good apparatus to do it.

I doubt regular Savonian gubbe several hundreds years ago cared about Swedish empire as much as Lemminkäinen does today. For him it was about religion.

[Lemminkäinen]

I doubt regular Savonian gubbe several hundreds years ago cared about Swedish empire as much as Lemminkäinen does today. For him it was about religion.

You are again in your sweet home Kainuu, at least mentally

[Harkonnen]

You are again in your sweet home Kainuu, at least mentally

So you are honestly trying to tell me that Lutheran Karelians and Savonians waged ex tempore brutal guerrilla warfare against Orthodox Karelians without official participation of Swedish army (and vice versa), because they wanted to be good doggies of Swedes, and not because they were fueled by religious dogma and hatred?

k

[Lemminkäinen]

So you are honestly trying to tell me that Lutheran Karelians and Savonians waged ex tempore brutal guerrilla warfare against Orthodox Karelians without official participation of Swedish army (and vice versa), because they wanted to be good doggies of Swedes, and not because they were fueled by religious dogma and hatred?

k

They belonged to the army, because they had no other choices. On the other hand Orthodox Karelians, Cossacks and what ever wanted to rob, rape, kill, burn houses, churches, so they had no other choice but smash those heads. Above all this Swedish and Russian politicians had spiritual negotiations how much they needed iron and gun powder to continue this madness.

[Harkonnen]

They belonged to the army, because they had no other choices. On the other hand Orthodox Karelians, Cossacks and what ever wanted to rob, rape, kill, burn houses, churches, so they had no other choice but smash those heads. Above all this Swedish and Russian politicians had spiritual negotiations how much they needed iron and gun powder to continue this madness.

I am absolutely certain that if Orthodox Karelians were able to rob, rape, kill, burn houses and churches of Savonians and Lutheran Karelians, then in turn my Savonian and Lutheran Karelian ancestors were able to return the favor and rob, rape, kill, burn houses and churches of Orthodox Karelians. I have not enough imaginations in me to say that they were totally alien and Angelic race compared to the savage Orthodox Karelians.

Afterall in the 30 years War even Swedish army was able to decimate almost half the population of Germany. Who knows, perhaps they had Orthodox Karelian mercenaries who did the damage?

The war ranks with the worst famines and plagues as the greatest medical catastrophe in modern European history.[84][85] Lacking good census information, historians have extrapolated the experience of well-studied regions.[86] John Theibault agrees with the conclusions in Günther Franz's Der Dreissigjährige Krieg und das Deutsche Volk (1940), that population losses were great but varied regionally (ranging as high as 50%) and says his estimates are the best available.[87] The war killed soldiers and civilians directly, caused famines, destroyed livelihoods, disrupted commerce, postponed marriages and childbirth, and forced large numbers of people to relocate. The overall reduction of population in the German states was typically 25% to 40%.[88] Some regions were affected much more than others.[89] For example, Württemberg lost three-quarters of its population during the war.[90] In the region of Brandenburg, the losses had amounted to half, while in some areas, an estimated two-thirds of the population died.[91] Overall, the male population of the German states was reduced by almost half.[92] The population of the Czech lands declined by a third due to war, disease, famine, and the expulsion of Protestant population.[93][94] Much of the destruction of civilian lives and property was caused by the cruelty and greed of mercenary soldiers.[95] Villages were especially easy prey to the marauding armies. Those that survived, like the small village of Drais near Mainz, would take almost a hundred years to recover.[citation needed] The Swedish armies alone may have destroyed up to 2,000 castles, 18,000 villages, and 1,500 towns in Germany, one-third of all German towns.[96]

[Lemminkäinen]

There was fights between armies and then hired bandits, today called little grey/green men. Hired bandits were used to weaken moral of civilians. They had no limits in action. In the GNW the Russian army had some behavior codes, bandits none.

In the thirty years war the Finnish cavalry was well known. They shouted "Hakkaa päälle" and were called hakkapelitas. Cavalry men belonged to all Finnish tribes.

[Harkonnen]

Actually Finnish cavalries were not well known at all. But perhaps they should have been.

[Lemminkäinen]

Actually Finnish cavalries were not well known at all. But perhaps they should have been.

They were well-known in Poland an Germany.

The snowy north is our fatherland;
there our hearth crackles on the stormy beach.
There our sinewy arm grew by the sword,
there our chest burned with faith and honour.
We watered our snorting horse in the Neva's bath;
he swam across the Vistula as happy as to a feast,
he carried our avenging steel over the Rhine,
he drank the emperor's toast from the Danube.
And if we ride forth over ash and gravel,
from the hoofs spring sparks of light,
each cut like the blow of a hammer descends
and for the world a future day dawns.
Take heart, you who dwell in darkness and chains!
We’re coming, we’re coming, we will free your hand.
Slaves do not sigh in our frosty North;
freeborn we ride into the field for God’s word.
At Breitenfeld we took Pappenheim into our arms;
we wrote on Kronenberg’s armour our name;
we burnt Tilly’s beard grey at Lech;
we bled with our King’s blood at Lützen’s hedge.
And if we ride far from our northern track,
to glowing grapes and bleeding wounds,
then the trumpets call the message of our victory.
Cut them down, brave ranks! Forward! With us is God.

Or

Our homeland lies in the snows of the North;
the hearth of the home glowing warm and strong
Our hand has grown sure with playing the sword
and honour and pure faith lies in our record
At the river Neva our mounts did draw their first blood
like in a wedding march they went across the Vistula flood
Our swords they did bring to the Rhineland's coast
and by the Danube they raised up the Emperor's toast!