SSA in North Africans

[MisterGaga]

Oh boy another one.

Yeah Captain obvious, people in N.Africa are mostly from the original back migration and some several events of levantine inputs, which is still mainly basal Eurasian. We know that for like 10years..

They have no ANE and no Steppe in any significant amount, they are from 15 to 25% SSA at average, and of several varieties of SSA, that also we know for 10 years. I score more Yamnaya than the average Finn in G25, that's how much, not really Steppe, this thing is, because there is no ANE or EHG component. Actually a better estimate would be the CHG and it's 0 except some living near the coast who surely have a bit of Iberian and whatever crashed on their shores.

What is true is that NA have real WHG type of ancestry, some from the original back migration (Afalou type) and got some also through their EEF like component, at least for Non Eurasian people, it's definetly the highest WHG found elsewhere than W.Eurasia. Yet their cluster is around 25% going into the direction of W.African SSA from Europe, how people deny the obvious, even without any other datas. Also in general you have to understand new datas don't change the genetics of groups, they refine things, pinpoint certain ancestries more accurately but no it doesnt half your SSA magically all of a sudden, that's why you have fstats from the beginning, just to keep it real in the grand scheme.

It's like this G25 alternate model with a Morrocan component, actual Moroccans score no SSA, omg so they don't even have SSA!! no they just score nearly full Moroccan, how thick you have to be to not comprehend this and that's the same effect with Iberomaurusian.

What a load of crap. Pardon my French.

1) Ancient Levantine weren't mainly Basal Eurasian. They were a mixture of WHG-related West Eurasian and Basal Eurasian. Basically 77%, 28% each. It's the basic ancient Middle Eastern profile provided by Dzudzuana paper. Natufians are Dzudzuana-like so are all other Ancient Middle Easterners deriving from a Dzudzuana-like source.

2) you can't score more Steppe than FennoScandinavians on G25 you're French, and from Southern French. You are either kidding, trolling or your dumb not sure which.

And there's no '0%' CHG/EHG in Berbers especially not coastal Berbers who are the biggest group.

3) as I showed, the paper which is very recent (2020) shows that a Basal Eurasian or a population closest to Basal Eurasian contributed alot of ancestry to modern SSAs.
There's little doubt there's a big correlation between ydna E/DE, the ANA ancestry of Iberomaurusians, and the spread of this Basal Eurasian-related ancestry into Africa. Since the split of Eastern Eurasians and Western Eurasians would have also caused the split of ydna DE and a first back migration.

All in all, we already suspected the amount of SSA wasn't correct 10 years ago, there were already people doubting the now outdated Eurogenes K7 or Dodecad results. They've been debunked for good. No idea you are still stuck in outdated stuff. Seems like a trend among marginal thinkers.

But keep marginalizing thinking.

[MisterGaga]

You do know that Iberian Bell Beakers were very different from Central European Bell Beakers in that they didn’t have steppe thats why they plot far away from them on PCA

Show me a qpAdm model that Egyptians have significant Iran-N. Syrians yes because of the presence of Iranics there but it drops off sharply west of there

Bell beaker Iberians do have Steppe, but not as much as North European/Central European groups of BB.

To answer you and stay correct : this Iran N type of ancestry didn't come from Iran. Its something that moved from Mesopotamia and SE Anatolia into Levant and Anatolia reaching Greece and Balkan too.

Besides this ancestry is well observed, its very Iran Neolithic-like , it's completely absent from Neolithic Anatolian samples as well completely absent in Neolithic Levantine samples. It only shows up in Chalcholithic and Bronze Age Levant with alot of J1 and J2 ydna haplotypes. Both Haplogroups strongly tied to this component.

[Petalpusher]

What a load of crap. Pardon my French.

1) Ancient Levantine weren't mainly Basal Eurasian. They were a mixture of WHG-related West Eurasian and Basal Eurasian. Basically 77%, 28% each. It's the basic ancient Middle Eastern profile provided by Dzudzuana paper. Natufians are Dzudzuana-like so are all other Ancient Middle Easterners deriving from a Dzudzuana-like source.

2) you can't score more Steppe than FennoScandinavians on G25 you're French, and from Southern French. You are either kidding, trolling or your dumb not sure which.

You are full of shit but let's just keep it nice and post this, which shows indeed how much you understand of all this. ZERO.




I score 42.9. This is not a steppe component you dumbfuck, even Sardinians score it. Check the CHG and Iran_N non scores maybe you ll understand why. Oh surprise, surprise when you remove the so called "Yamnaya", all the CHG/WHG/ANE pops back up into existence, even the Iran_N for some south/southeast parts of Europe: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1976028014

NA are 1/5 to 1/4 SSA, wether you like it or not, always going to be that much. It hasn't changed in the last 10 years, you are just tryhards getting around the numbers.

[Leto]

We don't even get anywhere near real straight of the forest of Guinea 15% SSA ancestry for coastal Berbers on G25. They actually have more Steppe ancestry and thus BA Iberian admixture than West African.




But theapricity is the most trolling forum you can find where people make claims without posting a G25 results, just out of thin air from their head and personal opinion.

Yes and the Ibero-Moros were a very brown and non-white, African population.

[MisterGaga]

You are full of shit but let's just keep it nice and post this, which shows indeed how much you understand of all this. ZERO.




I score 42.9. This is not a steppe component you dumbfuck, even Sardinians score it. Check the CHG and Iran_N non scores maybe you ll understand why. Oh surprise, surprise when you remove the so called "Yamnaya", all the CHG/WHG/ANE pops back up into existence, even the Iran_N for some south/southeast parts of Europe: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1976028014

NA are 1/5 to 1/4 SSA, wether you like it or not, always going to be that much. It hasn't changed in the last 10 years, you are just tryhards getting around the numbers.

You're a marginal weirdo. Thats all your ass is made up then.

You don't score more Yamnaya than Finns obviously, besides that Finns have significant Saami admixture that pull their Yamnaya down abit compared to Scandinavians.

Besides this, you score normal amount of Yamnaya for the cheap arrogant Frenchman you are.

For your sake Sardinians have some Steppe, they are not full blown EEF. They have Steppe, Iran N and North African ancestry as is also provided by their yDNA frequencies . They are just far lower Steppe than most Europeans.

And it is steppe. If you remove Yamnaya you'll get worse distance and fit and obviously once canceled out Yamnaya turns into a basic half CHG half ANE/EHG mixture. Wow mind blown. You made a terrible fit combined with a terrible model by canceling out the most important Corded ware derived source of ancestry in Europe. Genius.

NA are 1/5 to 1/4 SSA, wether you like it or not, always going to be that much. It hasn't changed in the last 10 years, you are just tryhards getting around the number

Yeah let's just ignore the paper that claim a major Basal Eurasian related ydna DE influx into SSA, meaning that modern Sub-Sararan Africans are part Eurasian themselves.
And that the ANA ancestry in Taforalt is closer to the Basal Eurasian component than to modern SSA or ghost divergent component of SSA.

But yeah let's just ignore facts for the sake of yours.

[Petalpusher]

You're a marginal weirdo. Thats all your ass is made up then.

You don't score more Yamnaya than Finns obviously, besides that Finns have significant Saami admixture that pull their Yamnaya down abit compared to Scandinavians.

Besides this, you score normal amount of Yamnaya for the cheap arrogant Frenchman you are.

For your sake Sardinians have some Steppe, they are not full blown EEF. They have Steppe, Iran N and North African ancestry as is also provided by their yDNA frequencies . They are just far lower Steppe than most Europeans.

And it is steppe. If you remove Yamnaya you'll get worse distance and fit and obviously once canceled out Yamnaya turns into a basic half CHG half ANE/EHG mixture. Wow mind blown. You made a terrible fit combined with a terrible model by canceling out the most important Corded ware derived source of ancestry in Europe. Genius.




Yeah let's just ignore the paper that claim a major Basal Eurasian related ydna DE influx into SSA, meaning that modern Sub-Sararan Africans are part Eurasian themselves.
And that the ANA ancestry in Taforalt is closer to the Basal Eurasian component than to modern SSA or ghost divergent component of SSA.


But yeah let's just ignore facts for the sake of yours.

Coming from a gay mongrel, this is rich to say the least. You are the tragedic weirdo here.



Good luck finding some Steppe with that amount of ANE:


K7 ANE
Moroccan Moroccan10H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan11H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan12H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan14H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan15H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan1H 0.001802
Moroccan Moroccan2H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan3H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan4H 0.023673
Moroccan Moroccan5H 0.004502
Moroccan Moroccan6H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan7H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan8H 0.001156
Moroccan Moroccan9H 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoA57 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoA62 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoA98 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoB17 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoB93 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoE21 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoE28 1.00E-05



Really, good luck with that. Steppe without ANE? that's the level of delusion you are in right now.

Sardinians don't have any Steppe, they also score close to no ANE and if any i didn't come from steppe invaders. You are again confusing steppe and Bronze Age inputs which can be vastly different from one another, it's an era we typically refering to, not a type of precise ancestry per say. This component is a BA type when you put it all together even if anachronistically.

[Zoro]

Bell beaker Iberians do have Steppe, but not as much as North European/Central European groups of BB.

To answer you and stay correct : this Iran N type of ancestry didn't come from Iran. Its something that moved from Mesopotamia and SE Anatolia into Levant and Anatolia reaching Greece and Balkan too.

Besides this ancestry is well observed, its very Iran Neolithic-like , it's completely absent from Neolithic Anatolian samples as well completely absent in Neolithic Levantine samples. It only shows up in Chalcholithic and Bronze Age Levant with alot of J1 and J2 ydna haplotypes. Both Haplogroups strongly tied to this component.

Therein lies your problem because if you use Iran-Chl as an Iran-N proxy then indeed Egyptians, N Africans, and Europeans will score Iran-Chl but that's because Iran-Chl had many Anatolia-N and some Levant-N alleles. Since Iran-Chl is so mixed it shouldn't be used as a proxy for Iran-N. Iran-N proper should be used in calculations.

Here is a very scientific analysis using all these outgoups to analyze how similar the following populations are to ANE

Outgroups:

Mbuti.DG
Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG
China_Tianyuan
Goyet_Neanderthal.SG
Russia_Sunghir3.SG
Russia_Kostenki14.SG
Onge_1000G
Morocco_Iberomaurusian
Georgia_Satsurblia.SG


This was done using qpWave. The most similar populations to ANE have the lowest Chi sq and are on the top. Any populations shaded pink are too disimiliar to ANE.

I only had Mozabite results for N Africans but you can see how far down the list it is.

QpWave – Test, MA1 – Cladliness Check – Rank 0
SAMPLE	CHI SQ	SNPs USED
Russia_AfontovaGora3	6	93044
Kazakhstan_Botai	16	334372
Russia_HG_Sosnoviy	28	215549
EHG	29	312983
Kazakhstan_Sarmatian	56	231406
Russia_Karasuk	57	221157
Tajik_Tjk	60	177068
Bashkir	60	247803
Chukchi	60	280835
Saami	61	224824
Kalash	64	226955
Kyrgyzstan_TianShanSaka	66	255433
Georgia_Kotias	66	353752
Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun	73	167794
Punjabi	77	84816
Russia_EBA_Yamna_Samara	77	218506
Pashtun_Afg	77	138065
Mansi	82	222965
Sindhi	83	216711
Pathan	88	215669
Kurd_Sorani	92	177498
Kurd_Kurmanji2	92	178657
Burusho	93	216177
Kurd_Kurmanji1	93	178554
Balochi	105	217356
Turkmenistan_Gonur_BA_1	114	230276
Iranian_NW	116	136405
Russia_NOssetian	117	215842
Estonian	118	219289
Iran_Wezmeh_N	121	352184
Kurd_Yazidi	125	178074
Iran_IA_Hasanlu	126	306068
Adygei	127	217102
Iran_GanjDareh_N	128	250924
Finnish_1000G	131	101659
Kazakh	131	247803
Russia_MLBA_Sintashta	133	177030
Kurds_Feyli_IQ	134	83470
Iranian_SW	141	214768
English	144	218880
Georgian	155	215645
Assyrians	157	138162
Armenian	158	215069
Cretan	159	215748
Iran_C_SehGabi	160	245936
Bengali	163	216863
Armenia_EBA_Kura	163	240282
Karitiana	169	251179
Jew_Iraqi	197	215719
Buryat	204	293214
Russia_UstBelaya_Angara	205	224894
Sardinian	214	187654
Iberian_1000G	221	97035
Eskimo_Sireniki	226	241646
Serbia_Mesolithic_IronGates	248	168484
India_Irula_1000G	292	170987
Jordanian	301	181812
BedouinB	315	222647
Anatolia_N	318	142341
Bougainville	330	248100
Israel_C	395	210615
Dai	412	183651
Mozabite	740	274075
Somali	978	275521
Esan	2,670	215541

[renaissance12]

We North Africans are the latinos of the ancient world, except we did not get replaced... We replaced others

And Who Are The Others Of The Ancient World ?

[Deusex99]

Basal Eurasian is just Eurasian without Neanderthal dna.

[Synapsid]

Shut your trap with the haplogroups, everybody has actually two haplogroups you dumbfuck. Last thing we need in 2020 is another Rethel



Iberomaurusian are not close to Iran neolithic at all or anything else like you think on our silly plot, where the hell did you find this crap, you made it?






See any Iranians close to Taforalt here on a legit PCA? No. The closest point is Afar, ever seen an Afar?





For your own sake, stop posting.

Iran_N is furthest thing away from Taforalt amongst PGNE. Makes sense since Iran is like almost half ANE.

But lets not exeggrate here. While Afar may have similar ratio of W.Eurasian/SSA, the SSA stuff in Taforalt (ANA) would have looked distinct from AEA in Afars. After all, they lived closer to glacial regions.