E1b1b in South Europeans belongs to four different subclades

[Shubotai]

Haplogroup E in South Europeans belongs predominantly to four different subclades of E1b1b each one of which is more common in a different peninsula. E-M81 is more common in Iberia and mainly the western part of the Iberian peninsula, E-V22 is more common in Italia but absent from Sardinia, E-V13 is more common in the Balkans, especially Greeks and Albanians and E-M123 is more common in Anatolia and particularly Kurdish. The approximate frequency of each subclade is about 10% in each one of these areas not counting other subclades of E that might further increase its frequency in each place.

E-V13 E1b1b1a1b1a
E-V22 E1b1b1a1b2
E-M81 E1b1b1b1a
E-M123 E1b1b1b2a1

The four subclades E-V13, E-V22, E-M81 and E-M123 are parallel and stem from different haplogroups of E1b1b, which are respectively common in the Cushitic branch, the Egyptian branch, the Berberic branch and the Semitic branch of the Afroasiatic languages. E-V13 is more closely related to E-V22 and E-M81 is more closely related to E-M123.

The African admixture and the frequency of African mtdna are also higher in Iberia, Italia and Anatolia than they are in the Balkans. The frequency of y-dna E1b1b however is higher in the Balkans. A different migration route is the most probable for each one of the four groups.

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[Ülev]

E-V13achs

[Rocinante]

M81 and M123, by frecuency and history, can't be considered european haplogroups. You say M81 is common in Iberia, actually M78 family would be more common than M81, this obviously includes V22 and V13.

Since when Turkey is considered Europe?

[Gallop]

This is my E-V22 group. How do you see it?

[Shubotai]

The joint frequency of E-V13 and E-V22 seems to equal that of E-M81 and they all follow the same distribution pattern being higher in the west part but also in the east coastal region although E-M81 seems to be older and more widespread. And there is the genetic impact of the Moors also.
Moors and Saracens in Europe: estimating the medieval North African male legacy in southern Europe

Haven't actually mentioned the country by its name, but for convenience purposes included the Kurds because of that shared haplogroup, along with some others. Of course, all of E1b1b is ultimately of North African origin.

The E-V22 in Andalusia came from the Maghreb recently.
They found all E-M81, E-V22 and E-M123 in samples from Andalus.
Genetic structure in the paternal lineages of South East Spain revealed by the analysis of 17 Y-STRs

[Pine]

This is my E-V22 group. How do you see it?

Your sibling clade is Jewish.

[Gallop]

Your sibling clade is Jewish.

There may be different religions, religions are infinitely more modern than genetics.

[Gallop]

Shubotai
The E-V22 in Andalusia came from the Maghreb recently.
They found all E-M81, E-V22 and E-M123 in samples from Andalus.
Genetic structure in the paternal lineages of South East Spain revealed by the analysis of 17 Y-STRs

Age stimate



Neolithic? well I don't see it very recent

[Shubotai]

That is its coalescence age and it is apparently very old and I think the ancestral subclades of E-V22 are found in Saudi Arabia. But the major frequency of E-V22 is still in Morocco and Western Sahara but also Italians and I think it came from there. Maybe you belong to the subclade Italians have, if the estimation of the molecular clock is around 2500 years could it have come with Romans?

I am not sure which E1b1b subclade is connected to Shephardim Jews. The French should have also been included, most E1b1b belongs to E-M123 which was also the haplogroup of Napoleon and Einstein.

[Ion Basescul]

Biaka, Dinka, San and Pygmy?