New Xiongnu data indicates the Turkic origin and relativity with Hungarians

[Leto]

You and I have actually had this dialogue before, and you always dodge that point. Clearly Hungarians are seen now as "white" (unless being trolled by people), yet somehow Christian minorities are the only ones who can pass in this magical "grey area" in Anatolia or Western Asia. As though it is a laundry list of behaviors, genetics, and religion that are needed. I hear lots of people say every flavor of Caucasian is white until they're suddenly not. With such inconsistency, do you really wonder why I (or other Hungarians) don't care about being called white or not....

Exceptions prove the rule though. A few ambiguous or borderline cases do not render an entire category meaningless. Many colors exist as a mixture of other colors but that doesn't mean there is no blue or yellow. It's an old trick actually. "What do you mean by white? What about that Sicilian? What about that half Arab guy with blue eyes? What about the Sami, the Maltese, etc". However I do agree that ethnic identity is better than color, especially in countries where this tradition of talking about blacks, whites, etc. is foreign and relatively recent. Not sure how it's gonna develope with all the mass migration and increasing intermixing of ethnic and racial groups.

[Turul Karom]

You're not fooling anyone,you plot west of Austria, it means you are not even close to being .1% "magyar" *insert random made up turanic term here* "turkic",some pseudo-genetic website like mytrueancestry assigned you 1 or 2 snp's as being shared with magyars (out of hundreds of millions)
Your european ancestors did not have the same choice as you do today, yet you willingly choose to be servile, you willingly choose to be conquered by an extinct population you have genetically nothing to do.

The moment you prove you're even 0.1% magyar/turkic I'll eat my shoes soles

Exceptions prove the rule though. A few ambiguous or borderline cases do not render an entire category meaningless. Many colors exist as a mixture of other colors but that doesn't mean there is no blue or yellow. It's an old trick actually. "What do you mean by white? What about that Sicilian? What about that half Arab guy with blue eyes? What about the Sami, the Maltese, etc". However I do agree that ethnic identity is better than color, especially in countries where this tradition of talking about blacks, whites, etc. is foreign and relatively recent. Not sure how it's gonna develope with all the mass migration and increasing intermixing of ethnic and racial groups.

Hey, no need to sell me on that. What you seem to fail to understand is that this was used as a trick against Hungarians multiple times in the last 100 years, both to say "you are alien; give up more land" and also, "you are a nation that is too white; be more diverse." Hence, it is a pointless trick used against Hungarians. Ergo, I don't care about it, and neither should other Hungarians because the only way to win the "white or not" game is not to play. Ethnic/tribal identity is more important in a practical and cultural sense.

The argument you're referring to "Loki's wager." If you're trying to debate if Turkish people are white or not, well, I don't think most of them care very much. Just like Hungarians. Regardless, I would say they are white. Since you are correct that ethnic identity is better that saying black/white/yellow/red/whatever, we can at least agree on this.

[ShereKhan]

The same image older than windows 95 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Post some modern oracles from gedmatch like eurogenes ,what commercial company did you test with and when or more precisely what is the snp count?

[Leto]

I've never seen your Eurogenes K13 & K15. You always prefer some obscure calculators that presumably serve your agenda.

[Jana]

I've never seen your Eurogenes K13 & K15. You always prefer some obscure calculators that presumably serve your agenda.

I did. You need to use search function, he did not hide anything.

[ShereKhan]

I did. You need to use search function, he did not hide anything.

THIS is his eurogenes?

Population
North_Atlantic 38.97
Baltic 26.29
West_Med 12.73
West_Asian 8.19
East_Med 9.39
Red_Sea 1.45
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.66
Siberian 1.10
Amerindian 0.54
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.68
Sub-Saharan -

Virtually all continental euros score around the same east asian and siberian noise values. There is no modern calculator or commercial test to suggest this guy has had magyar let alone turanic ancestors yet he clings to mytrueancestry like the gospel just because it assigned him 1 out of hundreds of millions of snp's as magyar.

99% conquered, 0% conqueror

[Proto-Shaman]

You completely misunderstood my statement: I was speaking of Ancient Eastern Iranians, like the Indo-Aryans and Scythians, the original Steppe population. They predated Volga Turks with a few millennia.

I didn't misunderstand you, and you understand very good. There were no predating Iranians. Iranians are just Turkic sperms lost in Semitics space (aka. Neolithic_Iranianians / 50% ANE). Bronze Age Central Asia belonged to Finno-Ugric West Siberian Hunter Gatherers and Scythians spoke Turkic per excelence. Everybody understand each other here. No hiding, no rumours. Turan will win. Sieg Heil.

[Proto-Shaman]

Hey, no need to sell me on that. What you seem to fail to understand is that this was used as a trick against Hungarians multiple times in the last 100 years, both to say "you are alien; give up more land" and also, "you are a nation that is too white; be more diverse." Hence, it is a pointless trick used against Hungarians. Ergo, I don't care about it, and neither should other Hungarians because the only way to win the "white or not" game is not to play. Ethnic/tribal identity is more important in a practical and cultural sense.

The argument you're referring to "Loki's wager." If you're trying to debate if Turkish people are white or not, well, I don't think most of them care very much. Just like Hungarians. Regardless, I would say they are white. Since you are correct that ethnic identity is better that saying black/white/yellow/red/whatever, we can at least agree on this.

What I find quite interesting is that most studies don't pay attention to Turkic PCA models, they pick it as it serves their agenda, like Leto.