New Xiongnu data indicates the Turkic origin and relativity with Hungarians

[Kaspias]

In an effort to characterize the people who composed the groups known as the Xiongnu, nuclear and whole mitochondrial DNA data were generated from the skeletal remains of 52 individuals excavated from the Tamir Ulaan Khoshuu (TUK) cemetery in Central Mongolia. This burial site, attributed to the Xiongnu period, was used from the first century BC to the first century AD. Kinship analyses were conducted using autosomal and Y-chromosomal DNA markers along with complete sequences of the mitochondrial genome. These analyses suggested close kin relationships between many individuals. Nineteen such individuals composed a large family spanning five generations. Within this family, we determined that a woman was of especially high status; this is a novel insight into the structure and hierarchy of societies from the Xiongnu period. Moreover, our findings confirmed that the Xiongnu had a strongly admixed mitochondrial and Y-chromosome gene pools and revealed a significant western component in the Xiongnu group studied. Using a fine-scale approach (haplotype instead of haplogroup-level information), we propose Scytho-Siberians as ancestors of the Xiongnu and Huns as their descendants.




TABLE
SOURCE

Observed haplogroups that SNPs are tested


R-Z2125
R-Z95
Q-M120


Autosomal data of Scytho-Siberians from G25.

Distance to: Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA
0.04804137 Bashkir
0.05933492 Uzbek
0.06077576 Tatar_Siberian

Distance to: Scythian_Aldy_Bel_IA
0.04341559 Bashkir
0.04764879 Tatar_Siberian
0.07581902 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye

Distance to: Scythian_RUS_Urals
0.05322550 Bashkir
0.07747167 Tatar_Siberian
0.08538744 Uzbek

---

I have made a comparison between Q individuals and me in order to see mutation rates in STR values although we don't get the same SNP. What is interesting that they are closer to me than most of the living Q individuals.

[Kaspias]

Worth to mention here that Arpad is also in the match list.



And there is an overlap between Xiongnu, Avar, medieval Hungarians and modern(b. 1700) Yakut.

[Leto]

Delete your thread. It already exists
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...nu-of-Mongolia

[Turul Karom]

Magyar vagyok, magyar!




Magyarnak születtem,




Magyar nótát dalolt a dajka felettem,




Magyarul tanított imádkozni anyám




És szeretni téged,




gyönyörű




szép




hazám!!!

[Dunai]

This is a highly fascinating find, which completely overthrows the theory of East Asian/Mongolid origin of the Xiongnu, and rather links them with Central Asian and South Siberian steppes. Now I do wonder what is the origin of Modern Mongolians, who occupy the former lands of the Xiongnu and the Huns, who seem to have been a pretty Europid type of people, linked with the Eastern Iranians.

[Proto-Shaman]

This is a highly fascinating find, which completely overthrows the theory of East Asian/Mongolid origin of the Xiongnu, and rather links them with Central Asian and South Siberian steppes. Now I do wonder what is the origin of Modern Mongolians, who occupy the former lands of the Xiongnu and the Huns, who seem to have been a pretty Europid type of people, linked with the Eastern Iranians.

Eastern Iranians are assimilated Volga Turks. Already proven by autosomal data (see: Steppe_MLBA).

[Dunai]

Eastern Iranians are assimilated Volga Turks. Already proven by autosomal data (see: Steppe_MLBA).

You completely misunderstood my statement: I was speaking of Ancient Eastern Iranians, like the Indo-Aryans and Scythians, the original Steppe population. They predated Volga Turks with a few millennia.

[Kaspias]

This is a highly fascinating find, which completely overthrows the theory of East Asian/Mongolid origin of the Xiongnu, and rather links them with Central Asian and South Siberian steppes. Now I do wonder what is the origin of Modern Mongolians, who occupy the former lands of the Xiongnu and the Huns, who seem to have been a pretty Europid type of people, linked with the Eastern Iranians.

Separation of Turkic, Korean and Mongolian roots to Manchuria. Mongols were not living in today's Western Mongolia during Xiongnu but only in Eastern and Northern Mongolia. The Xiongnu population was a confederation and consisted of various ethnicities. In the case of Turkic, besides consisting of the majority of the confederation, the Yeniseian elite absorbed among that group afterward. The names seen in families were already Turkic when Huns appeared.

In addition, Modern Mongols are not linked with Eastern Iranic. Formation of Turkic dates to EBA which is long before Xiongnu. So, Eastern Iranic identification has no role here. What they caused is boosting W. Eurasian in few Turkic communities thanks to assimilating and mixing but even this is speculation. If we are going to accept this claim as truth, then Oghuz's(not Uzes though) are a decent example of such a mix.

[ShereKhan]

Anyone else getting second-hand embarrassment every time german white boy Turul larps turanic?

[Bender1999]

Anyone else getting second-hand embarrassment every time german white boy Turul larps turanic?

No, did someone ask you?