Turkic Council Declares Hungarian Uralo-Altaic Language

[Mingle]

That has nothing to do with this, and Turkey joining the EU is incredibly unlikely at this point.



Oh? Just like how or language classification was politicized 120 years ago?

"The only reason the Hungarian language is considered Finno-Ugric is for political purposes."

-László Marácz

https://www.uva.nl/profiel/m/a/l.k.m...maracz.html?cb

There aren't any modern linguists besides Pan-Turkists that think Hungarian and Turkic are part of the same family. So why is Hungarian's classification as Finno-Ugric political but not Hungarian's classification as Turkic/Turkic-related language?

[Mingle]

Steppe folks turning Christian were traditionally all becoming Orthodox and were under Byzantine influence.
Like Bulgars or many Cumans.

However, since that dreadful and fateful day in 955, when Lehel was defeated by Otto and his Germans, the Magyars entered a path of spiritual enslavement.
Later, massacring Czech Hussites, cutting Balkan Orthodox into pieces, avoiding the Reform did not help either.

Hungarians would be a Turcophile folk if they were Orthodox or Protestant.

You're obsessed with Catholics. There isn't any special [negative] relationship between Catholics and Turks. The most anti-Turkish countries in Europe are your Orthodox neighbors (like Greece) since you have territorial disputes with them and they were part of the Ottoman Empire. Catholics would have the same attitude towards Turks as Protestants. Turul Karom claims Hungarians like Turks a lot and Hungary is a Catholic country.

[Turul Karom]

Hungarian Gypsies liks Orban larping as Turk for political purposes is just sad and incredibly funny.

Turkic council...lmao.

Maximum Stearsposting.

There aren't any modern linguists besides Pan-Turkists that think Hungarian and Turkic are part of the same family. So why is Hungarian's classification as Finno-Ugric political but not Hungarian's classification as Turkic/Turkic-related language?

Untrue. There are others who are not pan-Turkists who hold this viewpoint as well.

I also never said that Turkic classification doesn't have political elements. You are putting words in my mouth. What I am saying is that there isn't logic to rely on the language politics of Finno-Ugric classification of Hungarian to prove Hungarian origins if I can just do the same thing and post all of the linguists that support the other side. Users pretend that there isn't dissent, but there is, and Hungary gravitates more and more to the Turkic side.

Hungarians have a strong Turkic origin, from culture to religion to names. Now with the advent of modern genetics, we reveal our true past (even though this was known for a millenia). Many Hungarians agree here as well.

[Halgurd]

What's the closest language to Hungarian?

[Turul Karom]

What's the closest language to Hungarian?

People will say Ugric languages like Khanty and Mansi, but I believe there is a strong case to be made for Turkish considering ~30% of the Hungarian language is of "unknown" origin.


Here is an example of that closeness:

[Mingle]

Maximum Stearsposting.



Untrue. There are others who are not pan-Turkists who hold this viewpoint as well.

I also never said that Turkic classification doesn't have political elements. You are putting words in my mouth. What I am saying is that there isn't logic to rely on the language politics of Finno-Ugric classification of Hungarian to prove Hungarian origins if I can just do the same thing and post all of the linguists that support the other side. Users pretend that there isn't dissent, but there is, and Hungary gravitates more and more to the Turkic side.

Hungarians have a strong Turkic origin, from culture to religion to names. Now with the advent of modern genetics, we reveal our true past (even though this was known for a millenia). Many Hungarians agree here as well.

What are the political reasons for why there's an overwhelming consensus among non-Pan-Turkist linguists that Hungarian is a Finno-Ugric language in your opinion?

[Videx]

A bit hilarious.
"We appreciate that the Hungarian people do not forget their Turkic history, customs, traditions and family-friendly roots."

Which Hungarians? The general Hungarian does not practice Turkic custom or tradition. They could care less. They practice their European traditions.

[Turul Karom]

What are the political reasons for why there's an overwhelming consensus among non-Pan-Turkist linguists that Hungarian is a Finno-Ugric language in your opinion?

I believe it is simple to see, and I will explain it to you. It is partially status-quo, partially academic partisanship, and partially actual political malevolence. This is listed in order of prominence. I will explain in three brief parts:

1) Status-Quo (most prominent political reason): There is a case to be made because the current status-quo is that the largest % of known Hungarian is postulated as Ugric origin. These people don't "rock the boat" and ignore the massive level of "unknown" words and disputed Ugric words.

2) Academic Partisanship (somewhat common political reason): It's no secret that "ivory tower" academia is somewhat reliant on partisanship and who cites who's papers. Plus, for some linguists, this Fino-Ugric dogma is what has always been taught in their language studies, and in order to have their doctorates and certifications, they would obviously have a pressure to go along with whatever the "settled" knowledge is.

3) Political Malevolence (least common political reason): The ability to marginalize Hungarians as political actors internationally is something that allows Hungary to be more isolated. The Khanty and Mansi are unironically dying out as languages and identities. Soon, Hungarian will be the only "Ugric" language and people left, but this does not match the Turkic genetics and culture of the conquering Hungarians, which is problematic for them. There is nothing wrong with the Ugrics as a people. They're fine and have obviously contributed to the Hungarian language. However, they are able to be written off as a people because they are so small. Therefore, it is a stronger case for Hungary to embrace the EU coalition in order to not be isolated. Plus, most of the EU supporters hate the idea of Hungarians identifying as Turkic, and it has become somewhat of a political litmus test if you feel a connection to conquering Hungarians or not. This does not apply to Hungarians who identify as Germanic or Slavic, however, who are ostensibly right-wing but otherwise dislike Hungarian Turkicness because it offends their sensibilities in regards to their meta-ethnicity. Blondie and Stears are good examples of this.

[Turul Karom]

A bit hilarious.
"We appreciate that the Hungarian people do not forget their Turkic history, customs, traditions and family-friendly roots."

Which Hungarians? The general Hungarian does not practice Turkic custom or tradition. They could care less. They practice their European traditions.

European-Hungarian traditions are Turkic traditions, as anything we make as Hungarians is an extension of our past. If you are talking about Christianity, then that's not relevant as there have been many Christian Turkics and many Islamic Turkics. Turanism ignores religious connotations.

[itilvolga]

A bit hilarious.
"We appreciate that the Hungarian people do not forget their Turkic history, customs, traditions and family-friendly roots."

Which Hungarians? The general Hungarian does not practice Turkic custom or tradition. They could care less. They practice their European traditions.

I wouldn’t consider it as hilarious since there are many common traditions between Hungarians and Turks even though you guys were exposed to Europeanization long time ago. Bringing gift and removing footwear while visiting a house, kissing hand as a great respect and many others are our common old traditions, for an instance.