Iraqi G25

[Halgurd]

Iraq is much more diverse than Syria. People in Syria from the same geographic region within the country will score similar to one another for the most part. There's a Mesopotamian shift to the east, Anatolian shift to the north, and Arabian shift in the far south with the western core being the most Levantine as I understand it. Iraq is different in that people from the exact same city or town can have wildly different results. No idea why but it could be due to the tribal factor.

Kurds form their own homogenous group.
Chaldeans form their own homogenous group.
Iraqi Turkmens and Arabs on the other hand are very diverse.

[Trouble]

By the way Sabians I found out are Mandaeans. Mandeans seem to plot slightly more closely with Iranian and Kurdish Jews than Assyrians, strangely. The two groups share no common recent origin but since lower Mesopotamia is located further east than upper Mesopotamia(where Assyrians lived), the native inhabitants might have been more eastern/Iran_N shifted. Makes sense.

Sample	Fit	Levant JOR EBA	Ganj Dareh N	Barcin N	GEO CHG	Sidelkino HG
Iraqi ► Sabian01	2.34	40.5	27.5	24	5.5	2.5
Iranian Jew ► Average	2.66	40.5	27.5	24	5	3
Assyrian ► Average	2.62	35	25.5	27	10	2.5

[FinalFlash]

By the way Sabians I found out are Mandaeans. Mandeans seem to plot slightly more closely with Iranian and Kurdish Jews than Assyrians, strangely. The two groups share no common recent origin but since lower Mesopotamia is located further east than upper Mesopotamia(where Assyrians lived), the native inhabitants might have been more eastern/Iran_N shifted. Makes sense.

Sample	Fit	Levant JOR EBA	Ganj Dareh N	Barcin N	GEO CHG	Sidelkino HG
Iraqi ► Sabian01	2.34	40.5	27.5	24	5.5	2.5
Iranian Jew ► Average	2.66	40.5	27.5	24	5	3
Assyrian ► Average	2.62	35	25.5	27	10	2.5

3 of those Assyrian individuals are mixed. 2 of them seemingly with Armenians and one can be modeled as half Kurdish. This may explain some of those disparities with Mandeans.

[Aren]

By the way Sabians I found out are Mandaeans. Mandeans seem to plot slightly more closely with Iranian and Kurdish Jews than Assyrians, strangely. The two groups share no common recent origin but since lower Mesopotamia is located further east than upper Mesopotamia(where Assyrians lived), the native inhabitants might have been more eastern/Iran_N shifted. Makes sense.

Sample	Fit	Levant JOR EBA	Ganj Dareh N	Barcin N	GEO CHG	Sidelkino HG
Iraqi ► Sabian01	2.34	40.5	27.5	24	5.5	2.5
Iranian Jew ► Average	2.66	40.5	27.5	24	5	3
Assyrian ► Average	2.62	35	25.5	27	10	2.5

They are connected linguistically, or rather they were.
All Eastern Mizrahi Jews descend from Iraqi/Babylonian Jewry who spoke Babylonian Aramaic until they shifted to Arabic sometime after the Islamic invasion. Mandeans of Iraq also shifted very recently to Arabic from their native neo Mandaic. Mandaic and Babylonian Aramaic were very close, both emerging side by side in south-central Iraq. I’m not surprised at all that they are so close, despite minimal to no contact between the two groups.

[Trouble]

3 of those Assyrian individuals are mixed. 2 of them seemingly with Armenians and one can be modeled as half Kurdish. This may explain some of those disparities with Mandeans.

Possibly, but it seems to be the case on gedmatch as well.

[Trouble]

They are connected linguistically, or rather they were.
All Eastern Mizrahi Jews descend from Iraqi/Babylonian Jewry who spoke Babylonian Aramaic until they shifted to Arabic sometime after the Islamic invasion. Mandeans of Iraq also shifted very recently to Arabic from their native neo Mandaic. Mandaic and Babylonian Aramaic were very close, both emerging side by side in south-central Iraq. I’m not surprised at all that they are so close, despite minimal to no contact between the two groups.

Eh, I don’t know about that. If it were the case then Iraqi Jews would be their closest match but they’re not. Iraqi Jews shift a little toward the Levant. Iranian/Kurdish Jews are a bit Eastern shifted after possible admixture with locals and that Levantine base of the original Jewish population is sort of offset, making them closer to Mandaeans.

[Aren]

Eh, I don’t know about that. If it were the case then Iraqi Jews would be their closest match but they’re not. Iraqi Jews shift a little toward the Levant. Iranian/Kurdish Jews are a bit Eastern shifted after possible admixture with locals and that Levantine base of the original Jewish population is sort of offset, making them closer to Mandaeans.

What you mean if that's the case? It's history, you can't deny their close ties to Babylonian Jewry.
He is close to all Eastern Mizrahi Jews, the difference is small

Distance to: Iraqi:Sabian01

0.02134996 Iranian_Jew
0.02637216 Georgian_Jew
0.02910403 Assyrian
0.03079737 Iraqi_Jew
0.03283368 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
0.03667270 Lebanese_Druze
0.03802502 Druze
0.03847100 Syrian
0.03953715 Lebanese_Muslim
0.04031306 Armenian
0.04632097 Kurdish
0.04653142 Lebanese_Christian
0.04666469 Ezid
0.04666996 Karaite_Egypt

[marco]

Can you post the samples here i would like to run them