Question to believers: why do you believe in God?

**~~Luso~~** · 08-10-2020, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Ruggery

You are agnostic?

Yes I am.

**Aldaris** · 08-10-2020, 05:59 PM

Belief in God is fine, apologetics is not. Humans aren't evolutionary supposed to be perfectly rational and 'I just do' is more or less an acceptable answer for me. Subjective experience and emotions, still fine I guess, whatever makes you happy. But don't pretend there's a good objective reason to believe there indeed is a God.

Originally Posted by Ruggery

If God does not exist, how do they explain paranormal events and react when God is summoned?

False dichotomy, bro. Paranormal events aren't even clearly established, though yeah, I for one am convinced some cases are 'genuine', for lack of a better term. That's not to say I believe it's literal magic, but rather some unknown phenomenon which could ultimately be explained by natural sciences. But as for now, we're not anywhere close to that.

**~~Joso~~** · 08-10-2020, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Aldaris

Belief in God is fine, apologetics is not. Humans aren't evolutionary supposed to be perfectly rational and 'I just do' is more or less an acceptable answer for me. Subjective experience and emotions, still fine I guess, whatever makes you happy. But don't pretend there's a good objective reason to believe there indeed is a God.

Why so, though? Even the evolution theory supports the idea of God, because if we stop analyze a bit, every big civilization was believer and they were smarter even because there was less technology.
Being rational does correlate with being spiritual.
The humans specie is very degradated and irrational nowadays, no wonder why many believe the end of world is comming...

**Smeagol** · 08-10-2020, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by Ford

There are probably a lot of other things that won't seem logical to you, doesn't mean there isn't a logical explanation beyond your comprehension.

What's the "logical" explanation then?

**Aldaris** · 08-10-2020, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Joso

Why so though? Even the evolution theory supports the idea of God, because if we stop analyze a bit, every big civilization was believer and they were smarter even because there was less technology.

They were not smarter than humans today in any sense of the word. Neither on the individual level and especially not on a collective one. But that's so blatantly obvious I don't have much to add. Any average highschooler from today has more knowledge about the world than college deans in the Middle Age Europe. And that's comparing the average with the very top. As for evolution. At most you can say it's not completely inconsistent with the existence of a God, but it's still rather weird that he would choose such a complicated path. I mean, as a God he's not exactly in a rush, but all the way from basic laws of quantum physics to eventually mingling with microbes for billions of years? That's an overkill by any standard. Really, creationists' narrative seems much more logical on paper, but we know that's not the case.

The humans specie is very degradated and irrational nowadays, no wonder why many believe the end of world is comming...

Degraded, yeah. Though in the social value sense, not the intelectual one. We are far less irrational than we ever were, though that's not the best reference point. As a whole, we still are and to a high degree. Many believing that the end of the world is coming is a good evidence of that.

**Aldaris** · 08-10-2020, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Smeagol

What's the "logical" explanation then?

You expect him to answer that question via a TA post?

**~~Ford~~** · 08-10-2020, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Smeagol

What's the "logical" explanation then?

As for god, I don't know the explanation. But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. My post was more of a general statement.

**Smeagol** · 08-10-2020, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Aldaris

You expect him to answer that question via a TA post?

If he can't answer it than he had no reason to quote me.

**Aldaris** · 08-10-2020, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Smeagol

If he can't answer it than he had no reason to quote me.

He's not even obligated to provide one, since he's not the one making any claims. He just doesn't seem to be convinced by yours unless you provide evidence for it. And that's the default position in any other situation.

**Smeagol** · 08-10-2020, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Aldaris

He's not even obligated to provide one, since he's not the one making any claims. He just doesn't seem to be convinced by yours unless you provide evidence for it. And that's the default position in any other situation.

I don't care. I'm not trying to to convince anyone. Just seems to me that the "rational" atheist position requires much more blind faith than the creationist one. Atheists have no answers for why the Universe started.