South Dakotan K13

**Jana** · 08-06-2020, 01:48 PM

I dug up interesting K13 results of a guy from South Dakota, who used to post on another forum long time ago. Unfortunately he didn't post other gedmatch calcs but only K13 values.

North_Atlantic 39.47
Baltic 34.02
West_Med 12.64
West_Asian 5.3
East_Med 2.89
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.78
Amerindian 3.83
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.07
Sub-Saharan -

I ran it trough original gedmatch on Vahaduo:

Spoiler!

Updated K13

Distance to: Ray_south_dakota

5.40571919 German_east
6.50415252 East_German
8.74280847 Czech
8.81939340 Austrian
10.03417162 North-Swedish
10.75702096 Swedish
10.79342856 Croat_Croatia_Zagorje
11.09088815 Danish
11.17762050 Sorb_Lusatia
11.20203537 Slovak
11.20247095 Hungarian_Northern
11.46550043 North_German
11.60059855 Hungarian_Transdanubia
11.70727599 Hungarian_Budapest
11.80728589 German_West
11.93714371 Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar
12.42745348 Southwest_Finnish
12.56117033 Croat_Croatia_Central
12.68733017 Hungarian
12.96100576 Slovenian
13.15898172 South_Polish
13.59038263 Norwegian
13.65768032 Hungarian_Alfold
14.17974965 West_German
14.58562306 South_Dutch

Target: Ray_south_dakota
Distance: 1.1348% / 1.13479057

34.4 Norwegian
33.4 Estonian
13.0 French_Basque
5.4 South_Polish
5.2 Latvian
2.8 Karitiana
2.4 Abhkasian
2.4 Macedonian_Central
0.4 Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
0.4 Sardinian
0.2 Ukrainian

Target: Ray_south_dakota
Distance: 2.0776% / 2.07756613 | ADC: 0.25x

69.0 German_east
16.2 North-Swedish
12.4 Welsh
2.4 Mayan

This is what he wrote about his origins:

rural south Dakota (west river region as far back as I know). Idk my family history that well but we are mainly Russian German and some minor Scots-Irish origin.

How typical are these results for Great Plains region?

**Jana** · 08-06-2020, 02:42 PM

Comparison with TA members

Distance to: Ray_south_dakota

6.02828334 Uull(german_prussia_USA)
6.08426660 Drogin(norwegian/finnish)
6.38762867 Not_a_cop_grandpa1(german+russian)
6.42945565 Mazik(swedish)
6.67227098 RandomGuy20(Australian)
7.06806197 Snkves(Swedish)
7.70972762 Oszkar(Hungarian-Brit)
8.22336914 Matxe92(Danish+Polish)
8.48570563 Reith(german/norse_american)
8.67908405 Ph2ter(croat)
8.82111671 Mazik_grandpa(swedish)
8.89251933 yowasgeht_father(RussiaGerman)
8.97410720 CordedWhelp_father(American)
9.04909940 Calpal(British+French+Ukrainian)
9.05146397 Inf99Mom(usa)
9.17862190 Karol(slovak+1/4_white_american)
9.23536139 Adamg(Czech+German)
9.42175143 MotherKyp(SouthGerman)
9.59465997 Natalie(Czech)
9.62996366 magicalM(hungarian)
9.93867194 Teutone(german)
9.96892672 Dunai(hungarian)
10.18865055 GötterfunkeDad(German+Dutch)
10.25090728 JosephK(usamutt)
10.27482360 Ph2ter_wife(croat)

Target: Ray_south_dakota
Distance: 1.9997% / 1.99965973

24.2 Lemgrant(ukrainian)
22.8 Neon_Knight(British+Irish)
19.0 Sippola(finn)
13.8 Alessio_mother(dutch)
8.4 Daco-Celtic-mom(Irish)
5.2 Ekaitza(colombian)
5.2 Erronkari(argentinian)
1.4 Leto_father(belarusian)

This is first white American I see with some legit amerindian admixture. I only seen Readwald score similary but he's Canadian.

**Daco Celtic** · 08-06-2020, 02:51 PM

https://history.sd.gov/museum/docs/Immigrants.pdf

Some info on SD immigration

German Immigrants

The Germans in South Dakota became the most widespread of all the ethnic groups. People of German heritage are found in almost every county and town in the state. A majority of the German immigrants in South Dakota are Germans from Russia, a group that had migrated to Russia in the 1760s when Empress Catherine the Great needed good farmers to settle the Ukraine and Red Sea areas. These farmers received free land, religious freedom, and deferment from military service. By the 1860s, these privileges were being revoked, and many Germans from Russia came to America. They brought a variety of winter wheat seeds with them, helping South Dakota become a major wheat producer. The German Russian immigrants to South Dakota included two prominent groups, the Mennonites and the Hutterites. Mennonites and Hutterites share similar religious beliefs, including pacifism and adult baptism. Mennonites own individual property while Hutterites live in communal colonies. Two hundred Mennonite families established Odessa, twenty miles northwest of Yankton, in 1873.25 Around the same time, 900 Hutterites settled in Hutchinson, Bon Homme, Turner, and Yankton counties. They attracted considerable attention because of their adherence to the principle of community goods and property. Hutterites live simply, wear plain clothes, and practice a form of religious communism based on strict interpretations of early Christian teachings. In Hutterite colonies, family functions such as eating and cooking are done as a large group. The men work on the colony farm, using modern equipment and farming techniques. Hutterite schooling starts with kindergarten, which the colonies introduced to the area upon their arrival in the 1870s. School classes are taught on the colony, with a non-Hutterite teacher teaching “English” school. A separate session is held in the “German” school, conducted in the colony’s traditional “Hutterisch” dialect and taught by a Hutterite. Today, there are about 6,000 Hutterites in 53 colonies in South Dakota. Hutterites in South Dakota produce half of all hogs in the state, and raise about 80% of the turkeys produced yearly.

**Jana** · 08-06-2020, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Daco Celtic

https://history.sd.gov/museum/docs/Immigrants.pdf

Some info on SD immigration

German Immigrants

The Germans in South Dakota became the most widespread of all the ethnic groups. People of German heritage are found in almost every county and town in the state. A majority of the German immigrants in South Dakota are Germans from Russia, a group that had migrated to Russia in the 1760s when Empress Catherine the Great needed good farmers to settle the Ukraine and Red Sea areas. These farmers received free land, religious freedom, and deferment from military service. By the 1860s, these privileges were being revoked, and many Germans from Russia came to America. They brought a variety of winter wheat seeds with them, helping South Dakota become a major wheat producer. The German Russian immigrants to South Dakota included two prominent groups, the Mennonites and the Hutterites. Mennonites and Hutterites share similar religious beliefs, including pacifism and adult baptism. Mennonites own individual property while Hutterites live in communal colonies. Two hundred Mennonite families established Odessa, twenty miles northwest of Yankton, in 1873.25 Around the same time, 900 Hutterites settled in Hutchinson, Bon Homme, Turner, and Yankton counties. They attracted considerable attention because of their adherence to the principle of community goods and property. Hutterites live simply, wear plain clothes, and practice a form of religious communism based on strict interpretations of early Christian teachings. In Hutterite colonies, family functions such as eating and cooking are done as a large group. The men work on the colony farm, using modern equipment and farming techniques. Hutterite schooling starts with kindergarten, which the colonies introduced to the area upon their arrival in the 1870s. School classes are taught on the colony, with a non-Hutterite teacher teaching “English” school. A separate session is held in the “German” school, conducted in the colony’s traditional “Hutterisch” dialect and taught by a Hutterite. Today, there are about 6,000 Hutterites in 53 colonies in South Dakota. Hutterites in South Dakota produce half of all hogs in the state, and raise about 80% of the turkeys produced yearly.

I tought Russogermans who arrived to USA were still largerly unmixed. They come from SW Germany mainly and have such genetic profile IMHO and didn't mix with Russians until recently.
Maybe they are diverse. This guy looks more like Baltic/NE German or something, heavily east euro influenced and on top of that he has minor native american.

Fasctinating stuff. I would be cool to see white American averages divided into specific regions.

**Creoda** · 08-06-2020, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

I tought Russogermans who arrived to USA were still largerly unmixed. They come from SW Germany mainly and have such genetic profile IMHO and didn't mix with Russians until recently.
Maybe they are diverse. This guy looks more like Baltic/NE German or something, heavily east euro influenced and on top of that he has minor native american.

Fasctinating stuff. I would be cool to see white American averages divided into specific regions.

I have lots of Gedmatch kits from different US states/regions, but for averages I'd want to mix them with ones others have found, in case mine are ethnically biased.

**Erronkari** · 08-06-2020, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Comparison with TA members

Distance to: Ray_south_dakota

6.02828334 Uull(german_prussia_USA)
6.08426660 Drogin(norwegian/finnish)
6.38762867 Not_a_cop_grandpa1(german+russian)
6.42945565 Mazik(swedish)
6.67227098 RandomGuy20(Australian)
7.06806197 Snkves(Swedish)
7.70972762 Oszkar(Hungarian-Brit)
8.22336914 Matxe92(Danish+Polish)
8.48570563 Reith(german/norse_american)
8.67908405 Ph2ter(croat)
8.82111671 Mazik_grandpa(swedish)
8.89251933 yowasgeht_father(RussiaGerman)
8.97410720 CordedWhelp_father(American)
9.04909940 Calpal(British+French+Ukrainian)
9.05146397 Inf99Mom(usa)
9.17862190 Karol(slovak+1/4_white_american)
9.23536139 Adamg(Czech+German)
9.42175143 MotherKyp(SouthGerman)
9.59465997 Natalie(Czech)
9.62996366 magicalM(hungarian)
9.93867194 Teutone(german)
9.96892672 Dunai(hungarian)
10.18865055 GötterfunkeDad(German+Dutch)
10.25090728 JosephK(usamutt)
10.27482360 Ph2ter_wife(croat)

Target: Ray_south_dakota
Distance: 1.9997% / 1.99965973

24.2 Lemgrant(ukrainian)
22.8 Neon_Knight(British+Irish)
19.0 Sippola(finn)
13.8 Alessio_mother(dutch)
8.4 Daco-Celtic-mom(Irish)
5.2 Ekaitza(colombian)
5.2 Erronkari(argentinian)
1.4 Leto_father(belarusian)

This is first white American I see with some legit amerindian admixture. I only seen Readwald score similary but he's Canadian.

It's impressive that I have almost that same split of NA (3.83% vs 3.90%) im K13 and for that reason I always say to Raedwald/Le Prieur that genetically he is my "nordic brother" and I am his "wog brother" (my main european ancestry is french aquitanian and basque spanish).

In this country there are an interesting minority of volgian-germans.
Even though at these days most of them have some split of italian, spanish and amerindian ancestry, although they are quite endogamic.
What's curious is that many of them look more slavic than germanic, probably many of them have some proper russian blood, since their ancestors spent a long time in the Urals/Volga area.
They are very interesting people!!

Margarita Stolbizer - politician

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Matías Fritzler - soccer player

Federico Lussenhoff - former soccer player

Evelyn Schiedl - socialitee

Walter Herrmann - Basketball player

They look quite slavic imo...

**Universe** · 08-06-2020, 04:26 PM

^none of them look slav to me.

**Erronkari** · 08-06-2020, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Universe

^none of them look slav to me.

They probably look a mix german/slavic/mediterranean, but properly germans neither I think...
Do you think they would fit in Germany?
I recognize that I only know Heidelberg (Baden Wurtemberg) and Munchen (Bavaria) and I only spent 5 days in each place, so I am nothing expert about their phenos.

**Jana** · 08-06-2020, 06:31 PM

I tried to make good model for him using west Germanic, east Slav, British and native american populations and this is best I get, fit is bad though:

Target: Ray_south_dakota
Distance: 3.7631% / 3.76307842

61.6 South_Dutch
17.6 West_Scottish
16.2 Kargopol_Russian
4.6 Karitiana

**Erronkari** · 08-06-2020, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

I tried to make good model for him using west Germanic, east Slav, British and native american populations and this is best I get, fit is bad though:

Target: Ray_south_dakota
Distance: 3.7631% / 3.76307842

61.6 South_Dutch
17.6 West_Scottish
16.2 Kargopol_Russian
4.6 Karitiana

Amazing!
So indeed he has germanic and slavic roots!!