Hungarian & half hungarian & hungarian-like users: post your dodecad k12b results

**Videx** · 08-07-2020, 07:04 PM

Gedmatch
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 46.03
2 Atlantic_Med 28.23
3 Caucasus 14.81
4 Gedrosia 6.19
5 Southwest_Asian 2.31
6 Siberian 1.84
7 East_Asian 0.58

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 3.65
2 German (Dodecad) 7.01
3 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 13.2
4 Dutch (Dodecad) 14.15
5 Romanians (Behar) 16.3
6 Swedish (Dodecad) 16.37
7 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 16.79
8 Kent (1000Genomes) 16.97
9 English (Dodecad) 17.02
10 Norwegian (Dodecad) 17.17
11 British_Isles (Dodecad) 17.9
12 French (Dodecad) 18.11
13 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 18.23
14 Polish (Dodecad) 18.26
15 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 18.47
16 French (HGDP) 18.54
17 Argyll (1000Genomes) 18.89
18 Orkney (1000Genomes) 19.18
19 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 19.35
20 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 19.5

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.7% Swedish (Dodecad) + 47.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 2.02
2 53.1% Swedish (Dodecad) + 46.9% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.19
3 50.1% Romanians (Behar) + 49.9% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.2
4 82.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 17.6% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.37
5 87.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 12.8% French (HGDP) @ 2.45
6 51.5% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 48.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 2.49
7 88% Hungarians (Behar) + 12% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 2.5
8 91.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 8.1% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 2.54
9 91.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 8.1% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 2.54
10 86.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 13.5% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 2.54
11 92.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.1% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) @ 2.56
12 95.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 4.8% French_Basque (HGDP) @ 2.56
13 87.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 12.2% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 2.56
14 88.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 11.8% British (Dodecad) @ 2.57
15 94.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.5% Pais_Vasco (1000Genomes) @ 2.57
16 93.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.9% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 2.58
17 92.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.1% Valencia (1000Genomes) @ 2.59
18 92.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.4% Spanish (Dodecad) @ 2.59
19 86.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 13.2% English (Dodecad) @ 2.59
20 86.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 13.4% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.59

Vahaduo

Distance to: Videx
2.64635599 Slovenian
3.92098202 Hungarians
5.19321673 Slovak
5.84089034 Croat
7.22200803 Bosnian
7.60842296 German
8.37642525 R.Moldova_Centre+North
8.41498663 HUN_Szekely
9.07914093 Sorb_Lusatia
10.32772966 Serb
10.38905193 Bavarian_German
11.09936935 Ukrainian
13.33066765 Rus_Smolensk
13.73586910 PL_Mazovia
14.01664011 Montenegrin
14.38443951 Mixed_Germanic
14.40127078 Rus_Kostroma
14.52617637 Belorussian
15.45807556 Dutch
15.87680383 Rus_Tver
15.96307928 Southwest_Rus
16.26933311 Macedonian
17.54049315 Pomak
18.06184099 Romanians
18.15125615 Swedish

**Turul Karom** · 08-07-2020, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Chris596

Cool results

Very interesting results!

Do you (or anyone else) have any information about the sample ANI163_Varna_Outlier? They appear high on my ancient populations k12 and I don't understand what that group means, or what makes them an "outlier" in the Varna population during this era.

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 08-07-2020, 07:44 PM

Something's telling me that I could make a good spy in Szekely Land.

Gedrosia	5.71 Pct
Siberian	1.53 Pct
Northwest_African	0.24 Pct
Southeast_Asian	-
Atlantic_Med	25.42 Pct
North_European	40.30 Pct
South_Asian	0.11 Pct
East_African	-
Southwest_Asian	4.33 Pct
East_Asian	2.00 Pct
Caucasus	20.36 Pct
Sub_Saharan	-

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 8.87
2 Romanians (Behar) 9.04
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 10.76
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 11.3
5 German (Dodecad) 14.33
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 18.84
7 Dutch (Dodecad) 20.27
8 O_Italian (Dodecad) 20.4
9 French (Dodecad) 21
10 French (HGDP) 21.29
11 N_Italian (Dodecad) 21.48
12 Kent (1000Genomes) 22.53
13 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 22.6
14 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 22.7
15 English (Dodecad) 22.8
16 Polish (Dodecad) 23.41
17 British_Isles (Dodecad) 23.94
18 Swedish (Dodecad) 24.2
19 TSI30 (Metspalu) 24.38
20 North_Italian (HGDP) 24.46

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82% Hungarians (Behar) + 18% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 2.22
2 82.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 17.3% Turks (Behar) @ 2.36
3 57.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 42.3% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.49
4 52.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 47.3% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.5
5 52.2% Tuscan (HGDP) + 47.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.74
6 85.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.1% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.82
7 85.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.1% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 2.86
8 57.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 42.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.9
9 69.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 30.1% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.95
10 85.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.2% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 2.99
11 84% Hungarians (Behar) + 16% Cypriots (Behar) @ 3
12 86.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 13.7% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 3.01
13 84.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 15.1% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.02
14 85.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.4% Druze (HGDP) @ 3.02
15 70.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 29.5% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 3.02
16 58.8% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 41.2% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.03
17 86.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 13.9% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 3.04
18 85.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.1% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 3.07
19 81.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 18.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 3.09
20 85.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.3% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 3.09

Distance to:	Ion_Basescul_Chisinau
2.64794260	R.Moldova_Centre+North
3.13079862	HUN_Szekely
3.48265703	Serb
3.56638472	Bosnian
4.60209735	Croat
6.61361475	Montenegrin
8.45664827	Slovenian
8.50476925	Macedonian
9.16545689	Pomak
9.66672644	Hungarians
10.00028000	Romanians
10.93380080	R.Moldova_South
11.93572788	Bulgarian
12.21000000	Bavarian_German
12.46291298	R.Moldova_Gagauz
12.59170362	Bulgarians
12.66526747	Slovak
12.83183151	Gagauz
12.94683359	Turk_Romania
14.21498857	Turk_Bulgaria
15.05162503	Italy_FriuliVG
15.72372729	German
15.73153839	Albanian_North
16.73020622	Albanian_Kosovo
16.88220957	Turk_Greece

Target: Ion_Basescul_Chisinau
Distance: 1.0355% / 1.03547381 | ADC: 0.25x
31.6 HUN_Szekely
28.4 R.Moldova_Centre+North
25.8 Bosnian
11.0 Serb
1.4 Nogais
1.2 Dargin
0.4 Japanese
0.2 JPT30

**Chris596** · 08-07-2020, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Something's telling me that I could make a good spy in Szekely Land.

Hell yes

Unfortunately it doesn't work the other way around

I mean you and other Moldavian members told me I can't really pass in the Republic of Moldova, even if I'm genetically average there.

**Mr.G** · 08-07-2020, 08:05 PM

Difficult for me to create my mix with this one. On Eurogenes K15 and also on G25 I can easily model myself 50% Hungarian + 40% German + 10% English - which is logical. Here, if I include German my results just get swamped by it.

Dodecad K12b updated

Target: G
Distance: 7.5459% / 7.54588062
90.8 German
9.2 Hungarians

I can model myself like this and get excellent distance:

Target: G
Distance: 1.9744% / 1.97444579
56.2 HUN_Szekely
43.8 English

Distance to: G
5.16683656 Bavarian_German
7.59562374 German
8.66123548 Slovenian
8.80883080 Mixed_Germanic
10.22566379 HUN_Szekely
10.55630144 Dutch
10.74401229 Croat
11.43955856 Hungarians
11.86142909 Slovak
11.87281769 Bosnian

**Universe** · 08-07-2020, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.G

Difficult for me to create my mix with this one. On Eurogenes K15 and also on G25 I can easily model myself 50% Hungarian + 40% German + 10% English - which is logical. Here, if I include German my results just get swamped by it.

Dodecad K12b updated

Target: G
Distance: 7.5459% / 7.54588062
90.8 German
9.2 Hungarians

I can model myself like this and get excellent distance:

Target: G
Distance: 1.9744% / 1.97444579
56.2 HUN_Szekely
43.8 English

Distance to: G
5.16683656 Bavarian_German
7.59562374 German
8.66123548 Slovenian
8.80883080 Mixed_Germanic
10.22566379 HUN_Szekely
10.55630144 Dutch
10.74401229 Croat
11.43955856 Hungarians
11.86142909 Slovak
11.87281769 Bosnian

Your father may deviate from hungarian avarage in these calculators.

**Universe** · 08-07-2020, 08:14 PM

What is really odd is you're closer to Székely than to Hungarian. Shaky calc

**Mr.G** · 08-07-2020, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Universe

Your father may deviate from hungarian avarage in these calculators.

It really varies from calc to calc, here is Dodecad V3 Vahaduo. When I use British, French, German, Hungarian I can get a reasonable split at least, here is what the algorithm assigns from those populations:

Target: G
Distance: 3.5700% / 3.57003642 | ADC: 0.25x
47.2 Hungarians
32.6 French
20.2 German

Full spreadsheet, favors 1/2 Slovene for me, no German in sight:

Target: G
Distance: 1.2285% / 1.22849213 | ADC: 0.25x
58.8 Slovenian
26.0 French
12.8 N._European
1.2 Bnei_Menashe_Jews
1.2 Naidu

**Mr.G** · 08-07-2020, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Universe

What is really odd is you're closer to Székely than to Hungarian. Shaky calc

This is the best I can do with K12b. Not terrible for me, it really wants to assign me that Székely.

Target: G
Distance: 2.1251% / 2.12505867 | ADC: 0.25x
46.0 HUN_Szekely
23.6 English
19.0 German
11.4 French

**Chris596** · 08-07-2020, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Turul Karom

Very interesting results!

Do you (or anyone else) have any information about the sample ANI163_Varna_Outlier? They appear high on my ancient populations k12 and I don't understand what that group means, or what makes them an "outlier" in the Varna population during this era.

My closest ancient sample on Dodecad K12b Ancient (Admixture Studio) is Tian_Shan_Saka_DA57 but I think there's something wrong in my case. Anyway I sent you a pm about 1 hour ago I don't want to flood this thread