Hungarian gedmatch result / Universe's gedmatch relatives

[Blondie]

What's questionable about it? She has hungarian surname and given name on gedmatch. She's not avarage in Hungary, but an outlier (avarage hungarian isn't like ukrainians genetically). Still there are hungarian individuals who have similar results to her.

Except north eastern hungarians who are pretty homogenous slavic closest to ukrainians, slovaks and poles.

[Blondie]

Unlike Turks who seem to bear substantial levels of blood from their old ancestors

Not really , turks look like regular middle easternes, genetically they are half arabs:

"Turkey connects the Middle East, Europe, and Asia and has experienced major population movements. We examined the population structure and genetic relatedness of samples from three regions of Turkey using over 500,000 SNP genotypes. The data were analyzed together with Human Genome Diversity Panel data. To obtain a more representative sampling from Central Asia, Kyrgyz samples (Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan) were genotyped and analyzed. Principal component (PC) analysis reveals a significant overlap between Turks and Middle Easterners and a relationship with Europeans and South and Central Asians; however, the Turkish genetic structure is unique. FRAPPE, STRUCTURE, and phylogenetic analyses support the PC analysis depending upon the number of parental ancestry components chosen. For example, supervised STRUCTURE (K = 3) illustrates a genetic ancestry for the Turks of 45% Middle Eastern (95% CI, 42–49), 40% European (95% CI, 36–44), and 15% Central Asian (95% CI, 13–16), whereas at K = 4 the genetic ancestry of the Turks was 38% European (95% CI, 35–42), 35% Middle Eastern (95% CI, 33–38), 18% South Asian (95% CI, 16–19), and 9% Central Asian (95% CI, 7–11). PC analysis and FRAPPE/STRUCTURE results from three regions in Turkey (Aydin, Istanbul, and Kayseri) were superimposed, without clear subpopulation structure, suggesting the selected samples were rather homogeneous. Thus, this study demonstrates admixture of Turkish people reflecting the population migration patterns."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4904778/

10-15% central asian genetic doesn't make you asian or something. The turkish culture is arabic too i mean the islam which originated from arabia, old turks were enslaved by arabs in every way. Turks have arabic names too, the most popular names in Turkey:

Yusuf (arabic)
Eymen (germanic)
Ömer (arabic)
Mustafa (arabic)
Mirac (arabic)
Berat (albanian)
Ahmet (arabic)
Hamza (arabic)
Mehmet (arabic)
Emir (arabic)

So you guys are half arabs with arab culture, arab names and everything.

[Jana]

Not really , turks look like regular middle easternes, genetically they are half arabs:

"Turkey connects the Middle East, Europe, and Asia and has experienced major population movements. We examined the population structure and genetic relatedness of samples from three regions of Turkey using over 500,000 SNP genotypes. The data were analyzed together with Human Genome Diversity Panel data. To obtain a more representative sampling from Central Asia, Kyrgyz samples (Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan) were genotyped and analyzed. Principal component (PC) analysis reveals a significant overlap between Turks and Middle Easterners and a relationship with Europeans and South and Central Asians; however, the Turkish genetic structure is unique. FRAPPE, STRUCTURE, and phylogenetic analyses support the PC analysis depending upon the number of parental ancestry components chosen. For example, supervised STRUCTURE (K = 3) illustrates a genetic ancestry for the Turks of 45% Middle Eastern (95% CI, 42–49), 40% European (95% CI, 36–44), and 15% Central Asian (95% CI, 13–16), whereas at K = 4 the genetic ancestry of the Turks was 38% European (95% CI, 35–42), 35% Middle Eastern (95% CI, 33–38), 18% South Asian (95% CI, 16–19), and 9% Central Asian (95% CI, 7–11). PC analysis and FRAPPE/STRUCTURE results from three regions in Turkey (Aydin, Istanbul, and Kayseri) were superimposed, without clear subpopulation structure, suggesting the selected samples were rather homogeneous. Thus, this study demonstrates admixture of Turkish people reflecting the population migration patterns."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4904778/

10-15% central asian genetic doesn't make you asian or something. The turkish culture is arabic too i mean the islam which originated from arabia, old turks were enslaved by arabs in every way. Turks have arabic names too, the most popular names in Turkey:

Yusuf (arabic)
Eymen (germanic)
Ömer (arabic)
Mustafa (arabic)
Mirac (arabic)
Berat (albanian)
Ahmet (arabic)
Hamza (arabic)
Mehmet (arabic)
Emir (arabic)

So you guys are half arabs with arab culture, arab names and everything.

They are not Arab admixed at all, except small amount of Turks in deepest SE Turkey.
Their west Asian admixture is native Anatolian.

[vbnetkhio]

As you can see, Serbs are close to Romanians from Moldavia, Maramures, Crisana and Transylvania. The G25 averages from Serbia are even closer to South Romanians (Muntenia, Oltenia, Dobrogea) than Hungarians from Hungary and some Croatians.

there are no "Serbian averages" in G25, only 5 Serbian samples out of which only Serbs 1 and 3 are close to the average, an 2,4, and 5 are south shifted types which appear very rarely in reality. G25 is uselles for comparing modern East Europeans and Balkanians, I think this was explained already a couple of times on this forum, in threads you took part in.

Those Serbs in Bosnia & Herzegovina and Croatia are more Central Euro shifted, but those are also separate countries. It's like trying to present the results of Romanians/Moldovans from Moldova as representative for the averages in Romania.

where do you get this from? Serbs from Herzegovina are very paleo-Balkan, similar to South-east Serbs. and others in Bosnia and Croatia are pretty much identical to West, Central and Vojvodina Serbs. and for example, Serbs from western Bosnia are less North Atlantic than those from Serbia according to my current data.

is this an attempt of trolling? imagine if i ignored all the Romanian and Moldovan k13 averages you collected and insisted on the "official" averages from some Eurogenes calc. (some of which are almost 10% away from the actual averages for said ethnicites, because of Davidskis' issues.)

[Jana]

G25 indeed sucks for this region, but updated K13 is real deal, we worked hard on these averages after all.

[kundur]

Some Anatolian Turks are until 19% East Asian (Japan-like genes) genetically and since Turks were never full Mongoloid, the contribution of old Turks in the genome of Turks is way higher and until a point Hungarians cannot even dream (for themselves and their slav-german-vlah genomes). Among Turks only some outline populations (like Turkish Trabzon or Turkish Erzurum) seem to lack, but overall Turks are roughly 10% East Asian to begin with.

Turks all have Turkic family names. With rising Islamization of the society between 1980-2010, there was an increase in the rate of Arabic and Persian names, yet newer generation Turks increasingly name their kids after Turkic name.

You should not confuse Turks, who are not under Arab control, with Hungarians (a people clearly under Austro-Bavarian spiritual yoke).
In their relationship with Arabs, Turks were mastering and being princes, bureaucrats, military governors etc.
While in case of Hungarians, they are sadly a fellow steppe folk under Germanic leadership.

Did not Hungarian crown belong to germanic Habsburgs? Scandalous!
It is like Greeks who had German guy Otto as King in 1830.

[Blondie]

They are not Arab admixed at all, except small amount of Turks in deepest SE Turkey.
Their west Asian admixture is native Anatolian.

They have 45% middle eastern genetic, genetically turks are closest to syrians who are arabs. Turks have arabic culture, names, looking etc, most peoples consider them arabs, even many asian mongoloid turkic ethnicity look down on them because of their arabization. I have seen many siberian or central asian turkic user who said turks are not turkic, they don't feel any brothership with them. Also in Turkey the pro arab movements are very popular, Erdogan want to return back the old arabic tradition of turks. These are simple facts.

[Jana]

Some Anatolian Turks are until 19% East Asian (Japan-like genes) genetically and since Turks were never full Mongoloid, the contribution of old Turks in the genome of Turks is way higher and until a point Hungarians cannot even dream (for themselves and their slav-german-vlah genomes). Among Turks only some outline populations (like Turkish Trabzon or Turkish Erzurum) seem to lack, but overall Turks are roughly 10% East Asian to begin with.

Turks all have Turkic family names. With rising Islamization of the society between 1980-2010, there was an increase in the rate of Arabic and Persian names, yet newer generation Turks increasingly name their kids after Turkic name.

You should not confuse Turks, who are not under Arab control, with Hungarians (a people clearly under Austro-Bavarian spiritual yoke).
In their relationship with Arabs, Turks were mastering and being princes, bureaucrats, military governors etc.
While in case of Hungarians, they are sadly a fellow steppe folk under Germanic leadership (did not Hungarian crown belong to germanic Habsburgs). Scandalous!

Turks are still more native Anatolian than Turkic. Turkmen are very Iranic mixed and poor proxy for Turkic input, proto Turks were not like Turkmen that is for sure.
So take pride in your predominant west Asian/Anatolian ancestry instead of poorly trolling Hungarians, it reeks of autism.

[Jana]

They have 45% middle eastern genetic, genetically turks are closest to syrians who are arabs. Turks have arabic culture, names, looking etc, most peoples consider them arabs, even many asian mongoloid turkic ethnicity look down on them because of their arabization. I have seen many siberian or central asian turkic user who said turks are not turkic, they don't feel any brothership with them. Also in Turkey the pro arab movements are very popular, Erdogan want to return back the old arabic tradition of turks. These are simple facts.

They are not closest to Syrians, these populations aren't that close. They are closer to Azeris than to Syrians but even between them is considerable gap.
Turks are unique population which is mix of Anatolian, Turkic, Iranic, Caucasus... Balkan Turks are mix of modern Balkanites and Turkic for the most part.

They are one of most mixed populations in Eurasia.

[Blondie]

Turks:



Arabs:



Whats the difference? Nothing, they look 100% same.