G25 Scaled "aproximate" version of "Andre's K13 Vahaduo calculator " for Balkans.

[mitalit]

As Spaniards we are basically half-moors, I add Mar_Taforalt references to obtain better distances:

MAR_Taforalt:TAF009,-0.162767,0.07718,-0.024513,-0.079135,0.009848,-0.047969,-0.052877,0.020538,0.13294,0.002005,0.025333,-0.026676,0.057978,-0.052985,0.072882,-0.034076,0.002347,-0.05625,-0.130475,0.04152,-0.026204,-0.120314,0.067909,-0.016508,0.012334
MAR_Taforalt:TAF010,-0.193499,0.083273,-0.03017,-0.088502,0.034776,-0.055499,-0.076378,0.019384,0.163619,0.008565,0.02111,-0.030573,0.07879,-0.046104,0.077496,-0.046141,-0.00665,-0.069805,-0.144176,0.036518,-0.042924,-0.129217,0.07629,-0.015303,0.018322
MAR_Taforalt:TAF011,-0.194638,0.085304,-0.021873,-0.088825,0.026774,-0.059961,-0.072148,0.019845,0.161165,0.002551,0.016564,-0.035818,0.080574,-0.051196,0.066367,-0.037523,0.012126,-0.071199,-0.14493,0.035767,-0.041427,-0.12662,0.068279,-0.011447,0.018441
MAR_Taforalt:TAF013,-0.196914,0.082258,-0.026398,-0.088502,0.032314,-0.057173,-0.074733,0.017768,0.156665,0.002369,0.02111,-0.036717,0.077898,-0.052159,0.072746,-0.038584,0.000913,-0.069552,-0.141285,0.039894,-0.035687,-0.125384,0.075428,-0.011206,0.020477
MAR_Taforalt:TAF014,-0.201467,0.079211,-0.018479,-0.083011,0.034468,-0.055499,-0.076848,0.014538,0.162596,0.002005,0.020461,-0.029374,0.078344,-0.054223,0.066503,-0.025192,0.017602,-0.063724,-0.151215,0.04127,-0.042176,-0.126126,0.077153,-0.014339,0.012693

Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.5097% / 0.02509712
50.4 Germanic
45.6 North_Paleo_Balkan
3.0 MAR_Taforalt
1.0 Altaic

[17571imre]

I was having lunch, sorry.

I made the model in 5 minutes, so I didn´t check well all the sources, simply I posted them. I will post the new references.

It's funny that you think that's the only dubious reference, don´t you find dubious two modern Italian samples to represent ancient Balkans but you think that German reference is not enough Germanic?

The people here never cease to amaze me.

well on Gedmatch most SouthEastern European people get mixed population of Something Eastern European like Belarussian and someting Italian/Greek like Tuscany or Abruzzo or Greek. because before the migration of Slavic people the people who lived in Southeastern Europe were Italian/Greek like so i understand why modern Italian samples are used. somebody can correct me if im wrong.

[gixajo]

i think its a good idea from you to put German and Dutch as an average or maybe just the Dutch average could also work. yes but that is with 0 ADC use 0.5 ADC because there are so many samples in K13 source then you will get rid of all those little precentages.

Here you have, I changed my first post to make those the "official" references:

Germanic:Ger+Dutch,0.12850750,0.13434200,0.05953750,0.04242800,0.04023600,0.01613500,0.00530550,0.00693350,0.00355100,0.00110350,-0.00542900,0.00348000,-0.00703950,-0.00569200,0.01297850,0.00431800,-0.00574350,0.00146500,0.00381850,0.00226650,0.00391550,0.00243600,0.00017000,0.01182950,-0.00010750
Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad,0.133742,0.12948,0.073727,0.057494,0.0373915,0.029144,0.0094,0.007269,0.004295,-0.018224,-0.001543,-0.006369,0.0102575,0.017753,-0.0138435,0.0007295,0.0002605,0.0034205,0.0055305,0.001313,0,-0.002782,0.010846,-0.0069285,0.001736
North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria,0.117111,0.147477,0.007794,-0.027994,0.020038,-0.009172,-0.000862,-0.00241,0.005227,0.025918,-0.000379,0.005395,-0.010158,-0.005321,-0.002488,0.000575,0.006954,0.000591,0.001061,-0.002334,-0.003411,0.000756,0.000315,0.003039,-0.001091
South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo,0.112685,0.148801,-0.000675,-0.034765,0.016116,-0.01255,0.000779,-0.002283,0.003789,0.020813,0.000513,0.003668,-0.005633,-0.003904,-0.00615,-0.001466,0.00186,0.000267,0.003361,-0.003693,-0.003809,0.001334,0.000889,0.001706,-0.000964
Altaic:Altaian,0.057367,-0.28841,0.067052,-0.007881,-0.061304,-0.023873,0.011845,0.015738,0.001677,0.001968,-0.018642,-0.002518,0.000119,-0.011615,-0.00247,0.001989,-0.002764,-0.001318,0.011087,0.015257,-0.024157,0.001607,-0.014223,-0.00106,-0.002179

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 4.3409% / 0.04340919
51.8 North_Paleo_Balkan
48.2 Germanic

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 4.5444% / 0.04544380
67.6 North_Paleo_Balkan
32.4 Germanic

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 4.7520% / 0.04751987
58.6 Germanic
41.4 North_Paleo_Balkan
*****************************************
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 4.3410% / 0.04340971 | ADC: 0.25x
52.0 North_Paleo_Balkan
48.0 Germanic

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 4.5458% / 0.04545783 | ADC: 0.25x
68.8 North_Paleo_Balkan
31.2 Germanic

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 4.7523% / 0.04752313 | ADC: 0.25x
59.2 Germanic
40.8 South_Paleo_Balkan

K13 results:

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My results with K13:

Target: gixajo(mixed South/North Spain)
Distance: 17.5863% / 17.58626325
65.6 Germanic
34.4 North_PaleoBalk

Target: gixajo_dad (South Spain)
Distance: 16.8378% / 16.83779355
53.2 North_PaleoBalk
46.8 Germanic

Target: gixajo_mom(North Spain)
Distance: 18.8015% / 18.80147765
74.6 Germanic
25.4 North_PaleoBalk

[17571imre]

my results and my mothers one:
mother:
Target: cb_scaled
Distance: 2.2732% / 0.02273152
57.4 Slavic
28.2 South_Paleo_Balkan
10.6 Germanic
3.8 Altaic

mine:
Target: mh_scaled
Distance: 1.4577% / 0.01457666
44.4 Slavic
37.0 South_Paleo_Balkan
18.2 Germanic
0.4 Altaic

[Creoda]

What is the point in representing ancient Paleo-Balkans with modern Central and Southern Italians, when there are ancient Balkan samples? Same for using the modern German average as Germanic.

Don't understand the point in all these modern calculators either. Doesn't everybody know what they are already?

[Impaler]

Target: Impaler
Distance: 3.0844% / 0.03084413
63.2 North_Paleo_Balkan
24.2 Slavic
6.8 Altaic
5.8 Germanic

[gixajo]

The old North African trick, why don't you use guanche?

With Mar_Taforalt and Guanche:

Moorish:Canary_Islands_Guanche,-0.0393828,0.1314096,-0.0023384,-0.0687344,0.0337292,-0.0363672,-0.0299874,0.008261,0.0708878,0.0305428,0.0075674,-0.0059948,0.0182554,-0.0176982,0.0232082,-0.0130468,0.0031814,-0.019206,-0.044321,0.010405,-0.0134762,-0.0377142,0.0232692,-0.0011806,0.0046224
Moorish:MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 4.1410% / 0.04140971
51.8 Germanic:Ger+Dutch
41.4 South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria
6.8 Moorish:Canary_Islands_Guanche
0.0 Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.0 North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo
0.0 Altaic:Altaian
0.0 Moorish:MAR_Taforalt

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 4.0624% / 0.04062366
51.4 South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria
38.0 Germanic:Ger+Dutch
10.6 Moorish:Canary_Islands_Guanche
0.0 Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.0 North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo
0.0 Altaic:Altaian
0.0 Moorish:MAR_Taforalt

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 4.5081% / 0.04508114
62.8 Germanic:Ger+Dutch
29.4 South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria
7.8 Moorish:Canary_Islands_Guanche
0.0 Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.0 North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo
0.0 Altaic:Altaian
0.0 Moorish:MAR_Taforalt

Spoiler!

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.06549577 South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria
0.06826583 Germanic:Ger+Dutch
0.07833554 North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo
0.10768258 Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.20999466 Moorish:Canary_Islands_Guanche
0.45290775 Moorish:MAR_Taforalt
0.46114543 Altaic:Altaian

Distance to: gixajo_dad_scaled
0.05608689 South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria
0.06773402 North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo
0.08250195 Germanic:Ger+Dutch
0.11996876 Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.19596727 Moorish:Canary_Islands_Guanche
0.44297540 Moorish:MAR_Taforalt
0.46285214 Altaic:Altaian

Distance to: gixajo_mom_scaled
0.06346330 Germanic:Ger+Dutch
0.07627679 South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria
0.08799460 North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo
0.10388621 Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.21447834 Moorish:Canary_Islands_Guanche
0.45538158 Moorish:MAR_Taforalt
0.46212967 Altaic:Altaian

[Defcon2]

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 4.4113% / 0.04411258
45.0 Germanic
38.8 South_Paleo_Balkan
16.2 Moorish

[Kyp]

My mother:

G25:
Target: MotherKyp_scaled
Distance: 1.3504% / 0.01350436
74.4 Germanic
16.6 Slavic
9.0 South_Paleo_Balkan


k15:
Target: MotherKyp(SouthGerman)
Distance: 3.1678% / 3.16779749
82.4 Germanic
17.6 Slavic



Myself:

G25:
Target: Kyp_scaled
Distance: 2.6547% / 0.02654665
53.4 Azeri_Iran
28.8 Germanic
16.4 Slavic
1.4 North_Paleo_Balkan

k15:
Target: Kyp(Azeri+German)
Distance: 2.9194% / 2.91935299
43.4 Azeri
36.0 Germanic
13.4 Slavic
7.2 South_PaleoBalk