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    Default Greek Provocations over EEZ in Eastern Mediterranean

    By international standards, countries share sea waters with each other primarily based on continental shelf (main territory), then followed by islands.

    For example, the United Kingdom possesses some islands which lie next to France.
    Such as Guernsey and Jersey.
    The British admit that those islands do not give them right (over France) to claim extra territorial water, or Exclusive economic zone (EEZ) where they can drill and exploit the oil and gas.

    UK-France EEZ




    However, Greece claims that even little islets such as Kastellorizo (which they were given by Italy in WWII), next to Turkey, provides Greece with the right to apply EEZ until the shores of Turkey.
    Greeks quite shamelessly publish maps like the below.




    The Turks told Greece several times that this provocation and attempts of psychological subjugation shall not go unchallenged. Turkey published its own EEZ map, rightful and based on Continental Shelf.




    It seems that this week Turks sent seismic vessel Oruç Reis to the southern part of their EEZ, escorted by warships.
    Greek state issued protestations.
    Turkey repeated that there will be no step backwards, Greece will not be allowed to violate international maritime standards by trying to consider Islands relevant in the calculation of EEZ, by disregarding the continental shelf of Turkey.
    Turkey likely also warned that if Greece continues to escalate, it shall bear responsible for any blood that would be spilled or any life that shall be lost

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    This is our sea, get out!!

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    That's not how it is at all.

    Turkey is focusing on Kastellorizo to distract public opinion from the fact that it does not recognize EEZ to ANY island, including Crete and Cyprus.

    This is what Turkey basically wants:



    To split the Aegean in half, as if there aren't any Greek islands in it. It basically wants to trap the Aegean islands inside a Turkish eez, essentially cut them off from the rest of Greece, strangle them economically and eventually seize them.

    This is insane that no Greek government can accept. That would make Greece a country of limited sovereigty, it would automatically trasnform it into a huge gray zone and make it a satelite of Turkey. Turkey wants essentially to negate the Independence that Greece fought for in the Greek Revolution of 1821.

    Turkey wants to force Greece to "negotiate" the sovereign rights of the Aegean (that the Lausanne treaty and the United Nations Convention on the law of the sea give Greece) without the involvement of an International Juridiction that deals with these matters.

    Even without Kastellorizo, the Greek EEZ does not look much different because there are other much bigger islands that oberlap with the EEZ of Kastelorizo.

    Turkey has plenty of EEZ still. In no way does the Greek EEZ "suffocate" her as it claims. The Law of the sea allows free zonew to passage to traffic, vessels, it does not restrict any third country in any way. If anything it allows them more freedom than is the status quo now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kundur View Post
    However, Greece claims that even little islets such as Kastellorizo (which they were given by Italy in WWII), next to Turkey, provides Greece with the right to apply EEZ until the shores of Turkey.
    You say "Greece claims". It is not a claim, is basee on the International Law of the Sea. You are claiming, because you don't follow that law.

    It’s not the “Greek view” that all islands has EEZ and continental shelf. This is the Greek EEZ according to UN.

    They are not Greek "Claims" and they are not maximalism because they are based on UNCLOS. Islands have equal rights. Maximalism is to ignore the right of the islands.

    Greek claims overall is based on midline which is a generally accepted base for discussion. Turkey's claims is based on that all islands do not have EEZ at all, which is contrary to the law and out of discussion.

    You dispute that the islands have their own continental shelf, which is a basic principle of the Law of the Sea as well as the treaties of Lausanne in 1922 and Paris in 1947 for the delimitation of islands and islets, with the aim of abolishing Greek sovereignty over them.

    You have not signed the UN law of the sea and you are trying to impose your own rules. You dispute that a Greek island is part of Greece and you claim it does not have a EEZ. Show me any convention that agrees with you.

    You speak of maritime zones while not recognizing international maritime law.

    It is not a Greek maximalistic view. The Aegean Sea always has been a Greek “lake” because of the geography of Greek territory. You have to accept that. It’s only recently that you started to question it.

    Greek "maximalism" is within the limits and the rights of the law. Turkish maximalism is based on what? illegal claims that have no base in law. EastMed is based on the EEZ as it's described in UNCLOS. Turkey is doing piracy.

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    Something is happening inside Navtex area

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    Greeks and Jews are mobilizing France and Egypt. But I doubt those will enter the Navtex zone which Turkey issued in her rightful EEZ.
    Even though many would speculate that it is again the eternal Jew organizing all the evil behind the scene; and even if that is true, it is still Greece that shall bear all the responsibility in case anything happens, since Turkey made clear there will be no step backward.

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    Α Greek and a Turkish frigate collided today. The Turkish frigate due to damage in propeller, returned to Turkey by tugboat, while the Greek frigate didn't suffer damage, it participated in the joint exercise with France later.

    The Turkish frigate was sinking



    After the collision between the Turkish frigate with the Greek frigate "Limnos", a gap was created in the sealing means, resulting in the entry of water into the Turkish frigate "Kemal Reis", according to information it will take months to repair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wvwvw View Post
    Α Greek and a Turkish frigate collided today. The Turkish frigate due to damage in propeller, returned to Turkey by tugboat, while the Greek frigate didn't suffer damage, it participated in the joint exercise with France later.

    The Turkish frigate was sinking



    After the collision between the Turkish frigate with the Greek frigate "Limnos", a gap was created in the sealing means, resulting in the entry of water into the Turkish frigate "Kemal Reis", according to information it will take months to repair.
    Hmm... too bad that the Turks didn't get to expand their submarine force by one submarine at the expense of their surface fleet.



    Wake up and smell the coffee.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kundur View Post
    Greeks and Jews are mobilizing France and Egypt. But I doubt those will enter the Navtex zone which Turkey issued in her rightful EEZ.
    Even though many would speculate that it is again the eternal Jew organizing all the evil behind the scene; and even if that is true, it is still Greece that shall bear all the responsibility in case anything happens, since Turkey made clear there will be no step backward.
    Are you kidding? They flew over Reis. They rendered the turkish navtex useless

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