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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmara View Post
    Greeks are too stubborn.

    Greek maximalism vs Turkish maximalism. We should find a middle point, if you insist on your maximalist claims then you are the ones escelating.

    You should thank Erdoğan that with his excellent diplomacy he is able to make Turkey the bad guy in every situation, without him no one would support your side.
    Turkish positions is not only maximalistic, but also illegal as it deprives all the islands from their right given by law to have EEZ and territorial waters up to 12nm no matter what their position, size etc. Greek position is maximalistic but within the rights given by the law.

    Greek positions are a basis for conversation. But you can't discus if the other party's basis of conversation is that islands do not have EEZ or CS. And why do Turks say Greece claim Kastelorizo? Do we must feel sorry about Turkey and hand them some greek islands?With that logic in mind you own Iraqi oil as well.

    Turkey has invaded Cyprus, Syria, Lybia...Iraq...Kurdistan.. and Turks have the audacity to accuse Greece of maximalism! Greece does not favour direct action, and regularly looks at compromise. It follows international law, it abides by EU, UN and NATO rules and regulations. How’s is this maximalism? We can't change geography and international law to fit Turkey's maximalism.

    While Turkey accuses Greece of maximalism, about Aegean Sea and the Islands, forgets that Turks were the maximalism invaders in 1453. As well as now, Turks wants to take over the AegeanIslands. Turks judges others according to what they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wvwvw View Post

    While Turkey accuses Greece of maximalism, about Aegean Sea and the Islands, forgets that Turks were the maximalism invaders in 1453. As well as now, Turks wants to take over the AegeanIslands. Turks judges others according to what they are.
    Your Empire, Byzantium was literally destroyed in 1204 by the Catholics, who now seem to be your friends here. Italian Catholic naval powers also befriend the Turks against Byzantines/Greeks after 1204. By 1453, there was no more an empire but a simple city state, having nothing left from its former glory, Constantinople.

    Don't be fooled by Macron's apparent friendship, he just tries to appear Greek-friendly to counter the interests of Turkey and United Kingdom in the region, he hopes to get a military and logistics base for France in southern Cyprus which France shall use to supply the Maronites (Arab Catholic Levantines) in Lebanon.
    Last edited by kundur; 08-13-2020 at 09:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annihilus View Post
    Again a lot of misinformation. This is Turkish EEZ

    If Turkey's issue is with Kastellorizo being too small to merit an EEZ, why not just draw a map that shows Greece's EEZ without Kastellorizo? instead of claiming the whole Eastern med completely ignoring Cyprus and Greece?

    Greek EEZ WITHOUT Kastellorizo



    How can Greece negotiate with Turkey though, like it did with Egypt and Italy, when Erdogan is suggesting his country’s sovereignty is still incomplete, criticize the Treaty of Lausanne, invoke the Ottomans 'spiritual borders' & describe a broad swath of the Mediterranean as Turkeys blue homeland?

    When we see turkish armed forces all around the Med and we face clearly defined threats against our sovereignty. So no, we are not negotiating anything about Kastelorizo or any other island, under these circumstances. For us it's not "maximalism". Rather our last stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kundur View Post
    Your Empire, Byzantium was literally destroyed in 1204 by the Catholics, who now seem to be your friends here. Italian Catholic naval powers also befriend the Turks against Byzantines/Greeks after 1204.

    Don't be fooled by Macron's apparent friendship, he just tries to appear Greek-friendly to counter the interests of Turkey and United Kingdom in the region, he hopes to get a military and logistics base for France in southern Cyprus which France shall use to supply the Maronites (Arab Catholic Levantines) in Lebanon.
    Macron is trying to protect his interests in Greece as French Total is drilling for natural gas in Crete.



    Turkey is trying go disrupt those drillings and basically claim Crete's natural gas for herself (via Libya)

    Turkey claims all these fields below Crete belong to Libya because Crete (being an island) -according to Turkey does not have eez.

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    The spoiled child of Europe is crying again as usual, nothing serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itilvolga View Post
    The spoiled child of Europe is crying again as usual, nothing serious.
    Spoiled? Nah Turkey acts like spoiled child even they threaten EU to unleash the illegal immigrants if t
    EU will not pay. Spoiled good joke!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wvwvw View Post
    Greek EEZ WITHOUT Kastellorizo
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    I think you don't understand what you read, and you seemingly have no idea about international standards either.

    When there is a Continental Shelf; Rhodes and Crete and all Greek islands also do not matter, not only Kastellorizo.

    Islands would matter if it was about demarcating EEZ in the middle of Pacific, without continental shelves. In East Med, your islets and islands have no relevance at all since there are continental shelves all around.

    British islands of Jersey and Guernsey, harboring 170.000 citizens, and lying next to French shores are the analogy and the good examples.
    Both UK and France admit that those islands cannot be taken into consideration to demarcate a relevant EEZ border for each country in the Channel region.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Hahns View Post
    Spoiled? Nah Turkey acts like spoiled child even they threaten EU to unleash the illegal immigrants if t
    EU will not pay. Spoiled good joke!
    Hahahaha listen Makedonski, you had to change your country’s name more than once dishonorably because of them, Southern Cyprus became a part of EU just because they used their veto rights like a crybaby until their request got accepted, they planned their international policies based on Turkish-Greek issues during Andreas Papandreu’s period and when they couldn’t find a way solving these issues, they left holding the bag to EU to deal with the issues like a spoiled, grouchy kid. There are many more examples that I can count but these are enough, especially the first one for you.

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    Kastelorizo is not alone nor isolated btw. Megisti is a cluster of 13 islands of which Kastelorizo is one. It is historically and geographically been part of Dodecanese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itilvolga View Post
    Hahahaha listen Makedonski, you had to change your country’s name more than once dishonorably because of them, Southern Cyprus became a part of EU just because they used their veto rights like a crybaby until their request got accepted, they planned their international policies based on Turkish-Greek issues during Andreas Papandreu’s period and when they couldn’t find a way solving these issues, they left holding the bag to EU to deal with the issues like a spoiled, grouchy kid. There are many more examples that I can count but these are enough, especially the first one for you.
    I don't give a fuck about the name change firstly.

    Second, Turkey is not exactly that democratic(suppress of freedom of speech, destructions and vandalize of Christian churches like Panagia Sumela in Trabzon if I'm not mistaken). Invasion and occupation in Northern Cyprus AND in Syria!! Arming and training Jihadists like Daesh in both Syria, Iraq and recently in Lybia.
    Buying S-400 from Russia against in NATO alliance.
    Converte a Unesco building against the worldwide outrage

    Turkey act as a Mafia Nation

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