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    Default Coronavirus: England death count review reduces UK toll by 5,000

    I wonder what other histrionics surrounding covid shall subsequently be found to be false or half-true...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53722711



    A review of how deaths from coronavirus are counted in England has reduced the UK death toll by more than 5,000, to 41,329, the government has announced.

    The recalculation is based on a new definition of who has died from Covid.

    Previously, people in England who died at any point following a positive test, regardless of cause, were counted in the figures.

    But there will now be a cut-off of 28 days, providing a more accurate picture of the epidemic.

    This brings England's measure in line with the other UK nations.

    The new methodology for counting deaths means the total number of people who have died from Covid-19 comes down from 46,706 to 41,239 - a reduction of 12%.

    And figures for deaths in England for the most recent week of data - 18 to 24 July - will drop by 75%, from 442 to 111.

    Prof John Newton, director of health improvement at Public Health England, said: "The way we count deaths in people with Covid-19 in England was originally chosen to avoid underestimating deaths caused by the virus in the early stages of the pandemic."

    But he said the new methods of calculating deaths from the virus would give "crucial information about both recent trends and overall mortality burden due to Covid-19".



    The health secretary in England, Matt Hancock, called for a review into the way deaths from coronavirus were calculated in July.

    It followed concerns raised by Oxford scientists that this was being carried out differently across the four nations of the UK.

    In Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, the count only included people who died within four weeks of a positive test.

    Someone who stays in intensive care with Covid-19 for five weeks and dies would not be counted as a coronavirus death, for example.

    In England, there was no time limit. Someone who recovered from Covid-19 in March and died in a car crash in July would be counted as a coronavirus death.

    Now the UK's four chief medical officers have decided to use a single, consistent measure and publish the number of deaths that occurred within 28 days of a positive coronavirus test confirmed in a lab, every day.

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    No surprise there. As always: they are lying with statistics because they want to demolish the laws that stand between them and total control over the population (tyranny). The actual death rate is probably even lower because the deaths have never ended up at the pathologists' table.



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    Better to go on excess deaths, otherwise you get situations like the above changing numbers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    No surprise there. As always: they are lying with statistics because they want to demolish the laws that stand between them and total control over the population (tyranny). The actual death rate is probably even lower because the deaths have never ended up at the pathologists' table.
    Well the so-called 'real' death toll from covid is circa 55,000, but this is based on death certificates that record covid as being the confirmed or suspected cause, i.e. many of them haven't even been sent to a lab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Well the so-called 'real' death toll from covid is circa 55,000, but this is based on death certificates that record covid as being the confirmed or suspected cause, i.e. many of them haven't even been sent to a lab.
    But without being subjected to a post-mortem, I presume ? Then those are no real victims. It's no different from stating that someone who died with five pistol shots in the head who had been tested for positive for corona (what a faulty test btw !) is a corona victim.



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    But without being subjected to a post-mortem, I presume?
    Not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Not sure.

    Unless there is a post-mortem and the cause of death has been published, stating that someone has died of covid is pure conjecture (to be used for purely political purposes). This is why I only believe the German and Swedish figures because they go for a full post-mortem. A cause of death is not to be determined by political appointees in a national health board but a licensed pathologist who operates UNDER OATH.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    Better to go on excess deaths, otherwise you get situations like the above changing numbers.

    Yes but at least some of those excess deaths are (1) people not going to hospital even if they're seriously ill because they fear catching covid (2) people being denied or delayed treatment because the hospitals overwhelmingly focus on covid and (3) people committing suicide or excess drinking due to the depression of lockdown.

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    In other words: British, Dutch or WHO claims of the number of corona victims have about the same value to me as the daily horoscopes. And, in fact: at this point, I'd be more inclined to believe those !



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    In other words: British, Dutch or WHO claims of the number of corona victims have about the same value to me as the daily horoscopes. And, in fact: at this point, I'd be more inclined to believe those !
    The most suspicious element of this is how has China kept its death rate allegedly so low, given it was the origin of the virus and has such a large population?

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