Csangos from northen Siret GEDMATCH

[andre]

By origins their village was a normal moldavian orthodox place, but after 1770 (After Siculicidium) a lot of magyars came from Transylvania. They have a strongly german background too; on 23andme they score 8-15% French and German with Bavaria as a recent acestrors location.

They are 3 brothers.

Y-dna: J-L25
Mtdna: H13a

CSANGO_ROMAN_1

1 North_Atlantic 30.53
2 Baltic 30.04
3 West_Med 16
4 East_Med 7.63
5 West_Asian 7.12
6 East_Asian 4.67
7 Amerindian 2.4
8 Red_Sea 1.12
9 Siberian 0.4
10 South_Asian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 6.63
2 Austrian 8.07
3 Croatian 8.14
4 East_German 8.45
5 Moldavian 8.63
6 Serbian 9.6
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.64
8 South_Polish 12.71
9 Romanian 13.09
10 Ukrainian 13.66
11 West_German 13.93
12 South_Dutch 15.02
13 Bulgarian 15.59
14 Polish 15.86
15 North_German 16.66
16 French 16.78
17 North_Swedish 17.58
18 Southwest_Russian 18.06
19 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.22
20 Swedish 18.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.1% Hungarian + 4.9% Dai @ 4.45
2 95% Hungarian + 5% Vietnamese @ 4.5
3 94.8% Hungarian + 5.2% Lahu @ 4.54
4 95.1% Hungarian + 4.9% She @ 4.58
5 94.7% Hungarian + 5.3% Cambodian @ 4.59
6 95% Hungarian + 5% Miaozu @ 4.6
7 95% Hungarian + 5% Tujia @ 4.64
8 94.6% Hungarian + 5.4% Malay @ 4.65
9 94.8% Hungarian + 5.2% Yizu @ 4.86
10 94.2% Hungarian + 5.8% Tibeto-Burman_Burmese @ 4.91
11 94.8% Hungarian + 5.2% Naxi @ 4.91
12 94.7% Hungarian + 5.3% Tu @ 5.05
13 95% Hungarian + 5% Japanese @ 5.06
14 57.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 42.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.23
15 58.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 41.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.31
16 67% Ukrainian_Lviv + 33% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.35
17 56.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 43.4% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.38
18 75.2% Moldavian + 24.8% Southwest_English @ 5.4
19 58.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 41.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.4
20 95.2% Hungarian + 4.8% Xibo @ 5.41

CSANGO_ROMAN_2

1 North_Atlantic 30.43
2 Baltic 28.99
3 West_Med 16.32
4 East_Med 9.31
5 West_Asian 8.42
6 Siberian 3.06
7 East_Asian 3.02
8 Red_Sea 0.45

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 5.98
2 Serbian 7.51
3 Austrian 7.69
4 Moldavian 7.83
5 Croatian 8.29
6 East_German 8.75
7 Romanian 11.04
8 West_German 13.33
9 South_Polish 13.33
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.42
11 Bulgarian 13.73
12 South_Dutch 14.47
13 Ukrainian 14.49
14 French 15.99
15 North_German 16.82
16 Polish 17.05
17 North_Swedish 18.22
18 Southwest_Russian 18.67
19 Swedish 18.95
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.96

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.4% Moldavian + 32.6% South_Dutch @ 4
2 69.9% Moldavian + 30.1% French @ 4.14
3 65.7% Moldavian + 34.3% West_German @ 4.2
4 83.9% Moldavian + 16.1% French_Basque @ 4.32
5 94.9% Hungarian + 5.1% Xibo @ 4.33
6 56.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 43.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.34
7 95% Hungarian + 5% Hezhen @ 4.36
8 50.2% Erzya + 49.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.37
9 95% Hungarian + 5% Tu @ 4.38
10 95.3% Hungarian + 4.7% Japanese @ 4.4
11 76.2% Moldavian + 23.8% Southwest_English @ 4.43
12 95.4% Hungarian + 4.6% Naxi @ 4.47
13 95.5% Hungarian + 4.5% Yizu @ 4.5
14 53.5% Spanish_Cataluna + 46.5% Erzya @ 4.52
15 51.8% North_Italian + 48.2% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.52
16 74.8% Moldavian + 25.2% Southeast_English @ 4.53
17 94.3% Hungarian + 5.7% Mongolian @ 4.53
18 91.8% Hungarian + 8.2% Sardinian @ 4.57
19 95.9% Hungarian + 4.1% Tujia @ 4.58
20 51.2% Spanish_Murcia + 48.8% Erzya @ 4.59

CSANGO_ROMAN_3

1 Baltic 30.12
2 North_Atlantic 28.07
3 West_Med 16.06
4 East_Med 9.12
5 West_Asian 7.7
6 East_Asian 2.93
7 South_Asian 2.48
8 Siberian 1.7
9 Amerindian 0.99
10 Red_Sea 0.84

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.81
2 Hungarian 6.12
3 Croatian 6.51
4 Serbian 7.36
5 Austrian 8.95
6 East_German 9.46
7 Romanian 10.79
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.95
9 South_Polish 12.4
10 Ukrainian 13.11
11 Bulgarian 13.29
12 West_German 15.23
13 Polish 15.91
14 South_Dutch 16.42
15 Southwest_Russian 17.29
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.55
17 French 17.77
18 North_German 18.37
19 Russian_Smolensk 18.48
20 Estonian_Polish 19.01

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.4% Moldavian + 11.6% French_Basque @ 3.39
2 78.9% Moldavian + 21.1% French @ 3.46
3 77.7% Moldavian + 22.3% South_Dutch @ 3.54
4 83.9% Moldavian + 16.1% Southwest_French @ 3.58
5 83.1% Moldavian + 16.9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.65
6 85.9% Moldavian + 14.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.66
7 84.3% Moldavian + 15.7% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.67
8 76.7% Moldavian + 23.3% West_German @ 3.69
9 83.9% Moldavian + 16.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.74
10 82.9% Moldavian + 17.1% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.76
11 83.7% Moldavian + 16.3% Southwest_English @ 3.77
12 85% Moldavian + 15% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.77
13 84.5% Moldavian + 15.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.78
14 82.7% Moldavian + 17.3% Southeast_English @ 3.81
15 84.6% Moldavian + 15.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.82
16 51% Kargopol_Russian + 49% North_Italian @ 3.84
17 64.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 35.3% North_Italian @ 3.86
18 83.6% Moldavian + 16.4% Orcadian @ 3.92
19 83.5% Moldavian + 16.5% Portuguese @ 3.92
20 85.6% Moldavian + 14.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.96

Csango_Roman1,30.53,30.04,16.00,7.12,7.63,1.12,0.08,4.67,0.40,2.40,0,0,0
Csango_Roman2,30.43,28.99,16.32,8.42,9.31,0.45,0,3.02,3.06,0,0,0,0
Csango_Roman3,28.07,30.12,16.06,7.70,9.12,0.84,2.48,2.93,1.70,0.99,0,0,0

[andre]

Their parents and grandparents are distant (not so distant ) relatives, because they intermarried only between catholics.

[Universe]

That's the highest amount of mongoloid I've seen from hungarian people.

CSANGO_ROMAN_1

1 North_Atlantic 30.53
2 Baltic 30.04
3 West_Med 16
4 East_Med 7.63
5 West_Asian 7.12
6 East_Asian 4.67
7 Amerindian 2.4
8 Red_Sea 1.12
9 Siberian 0.4
10 South_Asian 0.08

CSANGO_ROMAN_2

1 North_Atlantic 30.43
2 Baltic 28.99
3 West_Med 16.32
4 East_Med 9.31
5 West_Asian 8.42
6 Siberian 3.06
7 East_Asian 3.02
8 Red_Sea 0.45

Their baltic to north_atlatic ratio is avarage hungarian (from Hungary)

[Jana]

So they are descendants of Szekelys who fled into Moldova?

[andre]

Their location it's near (3-4 km) a medieval hungarian settlement. Csangos live there since 1200.

[andre]

So they are descendants of Szekelys who fled into Moldova?

By majority yes.. but i strongly think that it was a medieval substrate too.

[Chris596]

Lol I'm really just a Balkanigg@ compared to them

[Jana]

By majority yes.. but i strongly think that it was a medieval substrate too.

Very interesting results, thanks for sharing.

[Aspirin]

They are 3 brothers.

Y-dna: J-L25
Mtdna: H13a

CSANGO_ROMAN_1

6 East_Asian 4.67

CSANGO_ROMAN_2

6 Siberian 3.06
7 East_Asian 3.02

CSANGO_ROMAN_3
6 East_Asian 2.93
8 Siberian 1.7

How is this possible?

[Bender1999]

They are really east asian influenced.