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    Quote Originally Posted by Supercomputer View Post
    Some ethnic groups are genetically predisposed to be smarter than others. All the evidence says so. Deal with it.
    Youre research sounds like BS considering 2/3 of Croatia is genetically identical with Bosnia and there is huge 10 IQ drop. Same for Albania and Greece. So obviously your PISA mesurments are faulty and are not genetically based like IQ is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supercomputer View Post
    Some ethnic groups are genetically predisposed to be smarter than others. All the evidence says so. Deal with it.
    Ceci & Williams 2009, pp. 788–789, "There is an emerging consensus about racial and gender equality in genetic determinants of intelligence, most researchers, including ourselves, agree that genes do not explain between-group differences".

    Hunt 2010, p. 447, "It is worth remembering that no genes related to difference in cognitive skills across the various racial and ethnic groups have ever been discovered. The argument for genetic differences has been carried forward largely by circumstantial evidence. Of course, tomorrow afternoon genetic mechanisms producing racial and ethnic differences in intelligence might be discovered, but there have been a lot of investigations, and tomorrow has not come for quite some time now.

    Nisbett, Richard E.; Aronson, Joshua; Blair, Clancy; Dickens, William; Flynn, James; Halpern, Diane F.; Turkheimer, Eric (2012). "Group differences in IQ are best understood as environmental in origin".

    Panofsky, Aaron; Dasgupta, Kushan; Iturriaga, Nicole (2021). "How White nationalists mobilize genetics: From genetic ancestry and human biodiversity to counterscience and metapolitics". American Journal of Physical Anthropology. 175 (2): 387–398. doi:10.1002/ajpa.24150. ISSN 0002-9483. PMC 9909835. PMID 32986847. [T]he claims that genetics defines racial groups and makes them different, that IQ and cultural differences among racial groups are caused by genes, and that racial inequalities within and between nations are the inevitable outcome of long evolutionary processes are neither new nor supported by science (either old or new).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarface F View Post
    Youre research sounds like BS considering 2/3 of Croatia is genetically identical with Bosnia and there is huge 10 IQ drop. Same for Albania and Greece. So obviously your PISA mesurments are faulty and are not genetically based like IQ is.
    His whole claim is BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kessaras View Post
    Ceci & Williams 2009, pp. 788–789, "There is an emerging consensus about racial and gender equality in genetic determinants of intelligence, most researchers, including ourselves, agree that genes do not explain between-group differences".

    Hunt 2010, p. 447, "It is worth remembering that no genes related to difference in cognitive skills across the various racial and ethnic groups have ever been discovered. The argument for genetic differences has been carried forward largely by circumstantial evidence. Of course, tomorrow afternoon genetic mechanisms producing racial and ethnic differences in intelligence might be discovered, but there have been a lot of investigations, and tomorrow has not come for quite some time now.

    Nisbett, Richard E.; Aronson, Joshua; Blair, Clancy; Dickens, William; Flynn, James; Halpern, Diane F.; Turkheimer, Eric (2012). "Group differences in IQ are best understood as environmental in origin".

    Panofsky, Aaron; Dasgupta, Kushan; Iturriaga, Nicole (2021). "How White nationalists mobilize genetics: From genetic ancestry and human biodiversity to counterscience and metapolitics". American Journal of Physical Anthropology. 175 (2): 387–398. doi:10.1002/ajpa.24150. ISSN 0002-9483. PMC 9909835. PMID 32986847. [T]he claims that genetics defines racial groups and makes them different, that IQ and cultural differences among racial groups are caused by genes, and that racial inequalities within and between nations are the inevitable outcome of long evolutionary processes are neither new nor supported by science (either old or new).
    IQ is genetic, but modern politically correct science will not under any circumstance admit that because that would be racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kessaras View Post
    His whole claim is BS.
    I disagree, but PISA isn't a good measurement because it can be trained and in some countries is taken much more seriously than in other + school/student selection in some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kessaras View Post
    Ceci & Williams 2009, pp. 788–789, "There is an emerging consensus about racial and gender equality in genetic determinants of intelligence, most researchers, including ourselves, agree that genes do not explain between-group differences".

    Hunt 2010, p. 447, "It is worth remembering that no genes related to difference in cognitive skills across the various racial and ethnic groups have ever been discovered. The argument for genetic differences has been carried forward largely by circumstantial evidence. Of course, tomorrow afternoon genetic mechanisms producing racial and ethnic differences in intelligence might be discovered, but there have been a lot of investigations, and tomorrow has not come for quite some time now.

    Nisbett, Richard E.; Aronson, Joshua; Blair, Clancy; Dickens, William; Flynn, James; Halpern, Diane F.; Turkheimer, Eric (2012). "Group differences in IQ are best understood as environmental in origin".

    Panofsky, Aaron; Dasgupta, Kushan; Iturriaga, Nicole (2021). "How White nationalists mobilize genetics: From genetic ancestry and human biodiversity to counterscience and metapolitics". American Journal of Physical Anthropology. 175 (2): 387–398. doi:10.1002/ajpa.24150. ISSN 0002-9483. PMC 9909835. PMID 32986847. [T]he claims that genetics defines racial groups and makes them different, that IQ and cultural differences among racial groups are caused by genes, and that racial inequalities within and between nations are the inevitable outcome of long evolutionary processes are neither new nor supported by science (either old or new).
    And what evidence do these "experts" have for these claims?

    Btw. One expert you quote Turkheimer is a far left ideologue who was caught lying about his studies being replicated and has openly admitted that he thinks science and data shouldn't be the arbiter of weather or not we should believe in racial IQ differences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarface F View Post
    Youre research sounds like BS considering 2/3 of Croatia is genetically identical with Bosnia and there is huge 10 IQ drop. Same for Albania and Greece. So obviously your PISA mesurments are faulty and are not genetically based like IQ is.
    You're forgetting Bosnia has 50% Muslims while Croatia has hardly any. Croatia is Catholic and Catholic church banned cousin marriages in the middle ages. Inbreeding negatively affects IQ. That would also explain Albania. Is it a coincidence the lowest IQ in Europe by far is in Muslim countries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supercomputer View Post
    And what evidence do these "experts" have for these claims?
    On the contrary, I should be asking that question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kessaras View Post
    His whole claim is BS.
    Go back to Turkey. This is a forum for Europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kessaras View Post
    On the contrary, I should be asking that question.
    Show me which evidence strongly suggests all populations have equal predispositions to intelligence? Evidence to the contrairy is overwhelming. Twin studies, subtest heritability, admixture studies, adoption studies.....etc.

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