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    I have read several comments in which the medieval period is automatically associated as dark ages. I think it is a label for anti-Christian propaganda. Being judged with a lot of presenteeism and little objectivism. Be my guest and enlighten us with your opinion, videos, maps, VIP bios, etc. The balance is good or bad?


    1. The idea of the “Dark Ages” came from later scholars who were heavily biased toward ancient Rome.

    In the years following 476 A.D., various Germanic peoples conquered the former Roman Empire in the West (including Europe and North Africa), shoving aside ancient Roman traditions in favor of their own. The negative view of the so-called “Dark Ages” became popular largely because most of the written records of the time (including St. Jerome and St. Patrick in the fifth century, Gregory of Tours in the sixth and Bede in the eighth) had a strong Rome-centric bias.

    While it’s true that such innovations as Roman concrete were lost, and the literacy rate was not as high in the Early Middle Ages as in ancient Rome, the idea of the so-called “Dark Ages” came from Renaissance scholars like Petrarch, who viewed ancient Greece and Rome as the pinnacle of human achievement. Accordingly, they dismissed the era that followed as a dark and chaotic time in which no great leaders emerged, no scientific accomplishments were made and no great art was produced.

    2. The Church replaced the Roman Empire as the most powerful force in Europe, redefining the relationship between church and state.

    In Rome’s absence, Europe in the Early Middle Ages lacked a large kingdom or other political structure as a single centralizing force, apart from a brief period during the reign of the Frankish Emperor Charlemagne (more on that later). Instead, the medieval Church grew into the most powerful institution in Europe, thanks in no small part to the rise of monasticism, a movement that began in the third century with St. Anthony of Egypt and would rise to its most influential point in the High Middle Ages (1000-1300 A.D.).

    Kings, queens and other rulers during the early medieval period drew much of their authority and power from their relationship with the Church. The rise of a strong papacy, beginning with Gregory the Great (pope from 590 to 604), meant that European monarchs could not monopolize power, unlike in the days of the Roman Empire. This idea of limits on royal power would continue into the High Middle Ages, influencing such milestones as the Magna Carta and the birth of the English Parliament.


    3. The growth of monasticism had important implications for later Western values and attitudes.

    The dominance of the Church during the Early Middle Ages was a major reason later scholars—specifically those of the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century and the Enlightenment in the 17th and 18th centuries—branded the period as “unenlightened” (otherwise known as dark), believing the clergy repressed intellectual progress in favor of religious piety. But early Christian monasteries encouraged literacy and learning, and many medieval monks were both patrons of the arts and artists themselves.

    One particularly influential monk of the Early Middle Ages was Benedict of Nursia (480-543), who founded the great monastery of Montecassino. His Benedictine Rule—a kind of written constitution laying out standards for the monastery and congregation and limiting the abbot’s authority according to these standards—spread across Europe, eventually becoming the model for most Western monasteries. Finally, Benedict’s insistence that “Idleness is the enemy of the soul” and his rule that monks should do manual as well as intellectual and spiritual labor anticipated the famous Protestant work ethic by centuries.

    4. The Early Middle Ages were boom times for agriculture.

    Before the Early Middle Ages, Europe’s agricultural prosperity was largely limited to the south, where sandy, dry and loose soil was well suited to the earliest functioning plough, known as the scratch plough. But the invention of the heavy plough, which could turn over the much more fertile clay soil deep in the earth, would galvanize the agriculture of northern Europe by the 10th century. Another key innovation of the period was the horse collar, which was placed around a horse’s neck and shoulders to distribute weight and protect the animal when pulling a wagon or plough. Horses proved to be much more powerful and effective than oxen, and the horse collar would revolutionize both agriculture and transportation. The use of metal horseshoes had become common practice by 1000 A.D. as well.

    Scientists also believe something called the Medieval Warm Period took place from 900 to 1300, during which the world experienced relatively warm conditions. This held particularly true for the Northern Hemisphere, extending from Greenland eastward through Europe. Combined with key advances in farming technology, uncommonly good weather appears to have fueled the agricultural boom of the period.

    5. Great advances were made in science and math—in the Islamic world.

    Among the more popular myths about the “Dark Ages” is the idea that the medieval Christian church suppressed natural scientists, prohibiting procedures such as autopsies and dissections and basically halting all scientific progress. Historical evidence doesn’t support this idea: Progress may have been slower in Western Europe during the Early Middle Ages, but it was steady, and it laid the foundations for future advances in the later medieval period.

    At the same time, the Islamic world leaped ahead in mathematics and the sciences, building on a foundation of Greek and other ancient texts translated into Arabic. The Latin translation of “The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing,” by the ninth-century Persian astronomer and mathematician al-Khwarizmi (c. 780-c. 850), would introduce Europe to algebra, including the first systematic solution of linear and quadratic equations; the Latinized version of al-Khwarizmi’s name gave us the word “algorithm.”



    6. The Carolingian Renaissance saw a flowering in the arts, literature, architecture and other cultural realms.

    Karl, a son of Pepin the Short, inherited the Frankish kingdom with his brother Carloman when Pepin died in 768. Carloman died several years later, and 29-year-old Karl assumed complete control, beginning his historic reign as Charlemagne (or Charles the Great). Over some 50 military campaigns, his forces fought Muslims in Spain, Bavarians and Saxons in northern Germany and Lombards in Italy, expanding the Frankish empire exponentially. As representative of the first Germanic tribe to practice Catholicism, Charlemagne took seriously his duty to spread the faith. In 800, Pope Leo III crowned Charlemagne “emperor of the Romans,” which eventually evolved into the title of Holy Roman Emperor.

    Charlemagne worked to uphold this lofty distinction, building a strong centralized state, fostering a rebirth of Roman-style architecture, promoting educational reform and ensuring the preservation of classic Latin texts. A key advancement of Charlemagne’s rule was the introduction of a standard handwriting script, known as Carolingian miniscule. With innovations like punctuation, cases and spacing between words, it revolutionized reading and writing and facilitated the production of books and other documents. Though the Carolingian dynasty had dissolved by the end of the ninth century (Charlemagne himself died in 814), his legacy would provide the foundations—including books, schools, curricula and teaching techniques—for the Renaissance and other later cultural revivals.




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    It is really time for the doxa to throw in the bin the ideological construct of “dark ages” regarding the (Western) Middle Ages and to assimilate a more objective vision of this long period, to show the willingness to reach the true face of the Middle Ages, not staying complacently stuck to hackneyed commonplaces. And it’s also time to bury once and for all the myth of Al Andalus, which owes a lot to the Nazi ideologist Sigrid Hunke, who glorified Islam in her book The Sun of Allah Shines Over the West. It’s incredible that this book full of delirious, hare-brained ideas and very poor in footnotes (an euphemism…) had so much influence in the West.

    So, in other words, no the black legend of the Western Middle Ages and no to the golden legend of Al Andalus.
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    The Carolingian renaissance and its aftermath

    The cultural revival under Charlemagne and his successors


    Charlemagne (742/743–814) has been represented as the sponsor or even creator of medieval education, and the Carolingian renaissance has been represented as the renewal of Western culture. This renaissance, however, built on earlier episcopal and monastic developments, and, although Charlemagne did help to ensure the survival of scholarly traditions in a relatively bleak and rude age, there was nothing like the general advance in education that occurred later with the cultural awakening of the 11th and 12th centuries.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Laly View Post
    It is really time for the doxa to throw in the bin the ideological construct of “dark ages” regarding the (Western) Middle Ages and to assimilate a more objective vision of this long period, to show the willingness to reach the true face of the Middle Ages, not staying complacently stuck to hackneyed commonplaces. And it’s also time to bury once and for all the myth of Al Andalus, which owes a lot to the Nazi ideologist Sigrid Hunke, who glorified Islam in her book The Sun of Allah Shines Over the West. It’s incredible that this book full of delirious, hare-brained ideas and very poor in footnotes (an euphemism…) had so much influence in the West.

    So, in other words, no the black legend of the Western Middle Ages and no to the golden legend of Al Andalus.
    +Not to Spaniard Black Legend.

    I'd like to see you develop those themes!

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    Thanks for destroying some ridiculous ideas that mainstream medias (but not only) promoted like people in Middle-Ages were dirty, they were backward etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tannhauser View Post
    The Carolingian renaissance and its aftermath

    The cultural revival under Charlemagne and his successors


    Charlemagne (742/743–814) has been represented as the sponsor or even creator of medieval education, and the Carolingian renaissance has been represented as the renewal of Western culture. This renaissance, however, built on earlier episcopal and monastic developments, and, although Charlemagne did help to ensure the survival of scholarly traditions in a relatively bleak and rude age, there was nothing like the general advance in education that occurred later with the cultural awakening of the 11th and 12th centuries.

    Charlemagne also imposed carolingian minuscule that has been a caligraphic standard in Europe for centuries and centuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samnium View Post
    Thanks for destroying some ridiculous ideas that mainstream medias (but not only) promoted like people in Middle-Ages were dirty, they were backward etc.
    Thanks mate!

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    Charlemagne also imposed carolingian minuscule that has been a caligraphic standard in Europe for centuries and centuries.
    Indeed, Charlemagne worked to uphold this lofty distinction, building a strong centralized state, fostering a rebirth of Roman-style architecture, promoting educational reform and ensuring the preservation of classic Latin texts. A key advancement of Charlemagne’s rule was the introduction of a standard handwriting script, known as Carolingian miniscule. With innovations like punctuation, cases and spacing between words, it revolutionized reading and writing and facilitated the production of books and other documents. Though the Carolingian dynasty had dissolved by the end of the ninth century (Charlemagne himself died in 814), his legacy would provide the foundations—including books, schools, curricula and teaching techniques—for the Renaissance and other later cultural revivals.

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    The Code of Chivalry
    Below is a loose collection of codes adhered to by chivalrous knights of Europe:

    Obey and defend the word of God above all else
    Love and serve King and Country
    Protect the Innocent
    Respect Women
    Never attack an unarmed foe
    Never abandon a friend, ally, or noble cause
    Keep one's word forever
    Live for freedom, justice, and all that is good
    Never lie or deceive
    Place others' lives before your own


    I like Temple's code in french:


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