"Medieval Balkan Slavs were pretty much like Serbs or Romanians" v2

[Ford]

Vlach pride world wide

[Ion Basescul]

Vlach pride world wide

Romanians descending from the mountains to colonise the lowlands, circa 1100 AD, colorised

[bained]

Since a couple of years, I2a1b refers to the Germanic branch, old I2a2.
CTS10228 is I2a1a2b1a1.

Nice cope bulgaria-early-iron-age.jpg

[ShereKhan]

This is an anecdotal claim of course, but considering that Thracians were described as red headed and there are barely any in their region nowadays, perhaps the population replacement can explain this partially?

We know that thracians belonged mostly to E-V13 and in the "Conquering Hungarian paper" only 2 graves had red hair, one of them was a 100% europid blue-eyed E-V13 individual, who seems to have been an assimilated local, what do you think of it? The medieval slavs definitely had mostly variations of brown hair, most common being dark brown, this is also how they were described by medieval authors, in contrast with paleo-balkan tribes who had important amounts of blonde and red hair, indeed it seems that slavs darkened the Balkans.

[Ion Basescul]

We know that thracians belonged mostly to E-V13 and in the "Conquering Hungarian paper" only 2 graves had red hair, one of them was a 100% europid blue-eyed E-V13 individual, who seems to have been an assimilated local, what do you think of it? The medieval slavs definitely had mostly variations of brown hair, most common being dark brown, this is also how they were described by medieval authors, in contrast with paleo-balkan tribes who had important amounts of blonde and red hair, indeed it seems that slavs darkened the Balkans.

I personally don't care about these, so I don't study them. But you can look for yourself here. It hasn't been updated since 2018, but you might find something that interests you.

https://genetiker.wordpress.com/pigmentation/

[ShereKhan]

I personally don't care about these, so I don't study them. But you can look for yourself here. It hasn't been updated since 2018, but you might find something that interests you.

https://genetiker.wordpress.com/pigmentation/

Red hair was largely spread by Bronze age tribes, Bulgarian Thracian I5769 was of Bronze age extraction, if most balkanites at that time had the same autosomal profile logically they would've had higher % of red hair than they do today.The extra steppe which in my opinion came during Iron Age would've granted them a greater chance for blonde hair too and would've made the dark brown hair ashy -> light brown hair.

[Ion Basescul]

Red hair was largely spread by Bronze age tribes, Bulgarian Thracian I5769 was of Bronze age extraction, if most balkanites at that time had the same autosomal profile logically they would've had higher % of red hair than they do today.The extra steppe which in my opinion came during Iron Age would've granted them a greater chance for blonde hair too and would've made the dark brown hair ashy -> light brown hair.

Perhaps, I don't have a horse in this debate. But modern Slavs from Eastern Europe didn't mix much after medieval ages and they are lighter on average than Balkan folk, who temselves are like half Slavic. Therefore the native half must have been darker.

[catgeorge]

[catgeorge]

[-Scar-]

All this shows is that the medieval samples we have from North Macedonia are south Slavic like, which shouldn't surprise anyone. They are obviously mixed with the local population, much like modern day Northern Macedonians. Im sure if you dig up more and more, you will find Avar_Szolad like samples.

I would not say obviously but most likely I believe that's the case.
I still think they were a little bit more southern than Avar_Szolad.