Haplogroup Distribution in Romania and Republic of Moldova

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 08-29-2020, 01:38 AM

Here's the deeper breakdown for the J2 samples that could be tested deeper than J-M172.
As mentioned previously, the proportion of J2a to J2b is about 65% to 35%.

For the 9 J2 guys on YFull, 5 are J2a and 4 are J2b. You can click the subclade links to see whom they cluster with.

For those under J2a, 4 out of 5 fall under J2a-M92, with 2 of them moving further into L556.

For those under J2b, 3 out of 4 fall under J2b-Z2507, with 2 of them moving further into Z1295.

Haplogroup	Origin	Subclade	Country	Location
J2a	YFull	J-FT87369	ROU	ROU
J2a	YFull	J-BY68767	ROU	ROU
J2a	YFull	J-Y13511	ROU	ROU
J2a	YFull	J-Y22280	ROU	Braila
J2a	YFull	J-FGC62187	ROU	Iasi
J2b	YFull	J-Y102756	ROU	Constanta
J2b	YFull	J-BY81991	ROU	Arges
J2b	YFull	J-Y85328	ROU	Buzau
J2b	YFull	J-Y191359	ROU	Botosani

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The rest of my regional J2 samples for Romania, which went deeper than J2-M172 are as follows:

Calarasi (Wallachia): 5xJ2a (2xJ-Z387 (under L25)) ; 1xJ2b
Dambovita (Wallachia): 2xJ2a
Prahova (Wallachia): 1xJ2a
Dolj (Wallachia): 13xJ2a (8xJ2a-M410, 4xJ2a-M67, 1xJ2a-M92) ; 9xJ2b-M241
Olt (Wallachia): 1xJ2a ; 1xJ2b
Constanta (Wallachia): 1xJ2b

Cluj (Transylvania): 5xJ2a (4xJ2a-M410, 1xJ2a-M67)
Brasov (Transylvania): 5xJ2a (4xJ2a-M410,1xJ2a-M92) ; 3xJ2b-M241
Bihor (Transylvania): 4xJ2a (3xJ2a-M67) ; 3xJ2b

Vrancea (Moldavia): 3xJ2a ; 1xJ2b
Neamt (Moldavia): 2xJ2a (1xJ2a-M92) ; 1xJ2b
Suceava (Moldavia): 2xJ2a (1xJ2a-Z471 (under M67); 1xJ2a-L243)

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 08-29-2020, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Rocinante

Favorite places of Romania: Suceava, Arges, Arad, Alba and Teleorman. Romania is rich in R-L23*, in other words, R-Z2103.

Some studies don't go too deep, so it's hard to say to which subclade they belong to, but the one with 180 samples from Dolj for example did, and none of them were confirmed as Z2103. Some stopped at L23, so maybe that's the L23* that you are referring to?

R-L2 (L151)
R-L2 (L151)
R-L2 (L151)
R-L21 (L151)
R-L23
R-L23
R-L23
R-L23
R-L23
R-L23
R-L23
R-L23
R-L48 (L151)
R-U106 (L151)
R-U106 (L151)
R-U106 (L151)
R-U152 (L151)
R-U198 (L151)

The ones originating from YFull tend to be more skewed towards Z2103.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-A19725/ (L151)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z16828/ (L151)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-DF13*/ (L151)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FGC12346*/ (L151)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FGC75224/ (Z2103)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FGC14600*/ (Z2103)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-A13358*/ (Z2103)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y38317/ (Z2103)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-V2986*/ (Z2103)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y32147/ (Z2103)

**~~Rocinante~~** · 08-29-2020, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Some studies don't go too deep, so it's hard to say to which subclade they belong to, but the one with 180 samples from Dolj for example did, and none of them were confirmed as Z2103. Some stopped at L23, so maybe that's the L23* that you are referring to?

R-L2 (L151)
R-L2 (L151)
R-L2 (L151)
R-L21 (L151)
R-L23
R-L23
R-L23
R-L23
R-L23
R-L23
R-L23
R-L23
R-L48 (L151)
R-U106 (L151)
R-U106 (L151)
R-U106 (L151)
R-U152 (L151)
R-U198 (L151)

The ones originating from YFull tend to be more skewed towards Z2103.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-A19725/ (L151)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z16828/ (L151)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-DF13*/ (L151)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FGC12346*/ (L151)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FGC75224/ (Z2103)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FGC14600*/ (Z2103)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-A13358*/ (Z2103)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y38317/ (Z2103)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-V2986*/ (Z2103)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y32147/ (Z2103)

5 R-U106
4 R-U152
1 R-L21

Were Romania invaded by germanics in at some point? All the L2 belongs to U152 (is common in germanic peoples), U106 is strictly germanic, and U198 along with L48, belongs to U106, so this is obvius germanic influence, but could mean previus migrations like CWC (not sure). L21 is the most curious one, though is very related to gaels, some germanic peoples score this haplo, but this is celtic per se as far as i know.

The L23* is known as Z2103, is common in hitties, hellenic peoples, illyrians and armenians. I thought it was going to be super common in Romania, but seems to me that you guys have some interesting variety.

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 08-29-2020, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Rocinante

5 R-U106
4 R-U152
1 R-L21

Were Romania invaded by germanics in at some point? All the L2 belongs to U152 (is common in germanic peoples), U106 is strictly germanic, and U198 along with L48, belongs to U106, so this is obvius germanic influence, but could mean previus migrations like CWC (not sure). L21 is the most curious one, though is very related to gaels, some germanic peoples score this haplo, but this is celtic per se as far as i know.

The L23* is known as Z2103, is common in hitties, hellenic peoples, illyrians and armenians. I thought it was going to be super common in Romania, but seems to me that you guys have some interesting variety.

Goths and Gepids used to settle sporadically and migrate throughout the territory, so perhaps some stayed and got assimilated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani...2%80%93c._455)

**~~Rocinante~~** · 08-29-2020, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Goths and Gepids used to settle sporadically and migrate throughout the territory, so perhaps some stayed and got assimilated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani...2%80%93c._455)

Make sense. Could be Szekelies too right?

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 08-29-2020, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Rocinante

Make sense. Could be Szekelies too right?

Who knows, but it's probably unlikely considering that in the past people were marrying mostly others of the same religion as them. Szekelys were Catholic, while Romanians Orthodox.

**~~ixulescu~~** · 08-31-2020, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

I pulled together all the sources that I could find and came up with about 1200 regional samples.

very nice, but put the average for the whole Romania as well, so that we can compare it with other sources, like Eupedia for instance.

**Kaspias** · 08-31-2020, 04:53 PM

Q in Moldova is L715 and in Romania L715 & M25 as far as I know. Is there any other subclade present?

**TheMaestro** · 08-31-2020, 05:04 PM

E1B here represents E-V13 ?

Is this E-V22 of European origin?

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 08-31-2020, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by ixulescu

very nice, but put the average for the whole Romania as well, so that we can compare it with other sources, like Eupedia for instance.

Those on Eupedia are also mine, so it will be identical with this one pretty much. I think I've got like 100 more samples since, so not much of a change.