Viminacium YDNA leaked

**Peterski** · 08-31-2020, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by ixulescu

Why would they be found in Roman samples?

Roman? Do you suggest that the inhabitants were immigrants from Italy?

I think they were mostly locals, in Italy haplogroup E is not that common.

**Insuperable** · 08-31-2020, 10:52 PM

I guess as expected.

**~~gixajo~~** · 08-31-2020, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Peterski

Scythian / Indo-Iranian / Turkic, today more common in Asia than in Europe.

Yeah, during some time I had a Z2125 as haplotype due to a habitual false positive with MyHeritage raw data in Morley´s predictor and Cladefinder.

**~~ixulescu~~** · 08-31-2020, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by Peterski

Roman? Do you suggest that the inhabitants were immigrants from Italy?

I think they were mostly locals, in Italy haplogroup E is not that common.

omg dude, do I really have to answer this question?

Roman colonists had a different haplotype distribution than both the Italic population and native Balkan population.

This only hints towards the population at Roman sites. But of course it's not a census, just a hint.

**~~gixajo~~** · 08-31-2020, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by ixulescu

Why would they be found in Roman samples? it makes no sense. It's the Illyrian and Thracian samples that are relevant for this question.

In Roman settlements usually are Roman, local people and mixed people burials, as well as auxiliar troops and people from all the corners of the Roman empire and foreigners, as merchants or slaves, in places like this I don't think it's easy to find representative proportions of the genetics of the area at that time, at least not entirely representative.

Edit

robably seeing the mtdna could unveil more things tan Ydna in these type of archeological sites.

re-edit:and autosomal too.

**Peterski** · 08-31-2020, 11:03 PM

Yeah let's hope they will also publish Iron Age (Pre-Roman) samples.

**Jana** · 08-31-2020, 11:09 PM

The Es are most likely Romanized Moesians. This site was located in Moesia, which is Thracian land.

Matches that Bulgarian Thracian who was also some older E1b mutation.

Looks like E was major HG among Thracians, but lets wait for autosomal to get a clearer picture.

**Insuperable** · 08-31-2020, 11:20 PM

When are we getting autosomal data?

**-Scar-** · 08-31-2020, 11:33 PM

Quite suprising seeing Germanic I1. I always assumed I1 outside of Italy and few other regions was spread gradually not mostly with Germanic migrations (only partially) but that is likely wrong.