Viminacium YDNA leaked

[Jana]

It seems that the Romans were responsible for the spread of E-V13 in the Balkans. This may also explain why Ancient Greeks were J2 and G whereas Modern "Greeks" are E-V13.

Pretty sure these E-V13 Romans are local Moesians, but I may be wrong. We'll find out eventually.

[vbnetkhio]

It seems that the Romans were responsible for the spread of E-V13 in the Balkans. This may also explain why Ancient Greeks were J2 and G whereas Modern "Greeks" are E-V13.

We have just a dozen ancient Greeks samples from 2 sites. They could be misleading when it comes to Y-dna.

E-V13 is the highest in parts of Italy colonized by Greeks, 20% :


this is why I think ancient Greeks also had a lot of it.
They could have had even more, let's say 30%

[vbnetkhio]

Pretty sure these E-V13 Romans are local Moesians, but I may be wrong. We'll find out eventually.

What if they were Greeks, maybe south Thracians or Macedonians, and it was them who brought that southern autosomal shift to the northern Balkans?

Mycenaean samples absorb all of my southern shift in this model:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7031200

[Jana]

What if they were Greeks, maybe south Thracians or Macedonians, and it was them who brought that southern autosomal shift to the northern Balkans?

Mycenaean samples absorb all of my southern shift in this model:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7031200

Very good idea to explain how very southern is pre-Slavic part in majority SW Slavs. Great hypothesis!

[PaleoEuropean]

Big difference. No presence of Slavic I2a and R1a clades whatsoever, not even among medieval samples (which are few in number though)

No any I2a-Din and no R1a (except for "Asian" / Indo-Iranian Z2124) in Roman era samples (n=39).



Early Medieval samples either predate the arrival of Slavs, or Slavs burned their dead at that time.

Timacum Minus, Kuline necropolis - 5 (labeled Serbia_Early_Middle_Age):

I2 x 2 (M423 x 2) is most likely Slavic (i-l161) and Gomolava - 1 (labeled Serbia_Medieval):

I2 x 1 (M423>L621>CTS4002) is I2a Din.

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The y-dna and mtdna of these samples:

I15527 Viminacium, Pecine Necropolis 70-208 cal CE R1b-U106
I15528 Viminacium, Pecine Necropolis .. T1a1n
I15529 Viminacium, Pecine Necropolis J1,J-Z2215,J-Z2217,J-CTS1026,J-Z1828,J-Z18463,J-Z18471,J-BY9
I15530 Viminacium, Pecine Necropolis .. K1a2a
I15531 Viminacium, Pecine Necropolis 258-413 cal CE I1 H10a1
I15532 Viminacium, Pecine Necropolis T-L206,T-M70,T-L131 J2b1c
I15533 Viminacium, Pecine Necropolis 246-365 cal CE R1a-M417,R-Z645 V1a1
I15534 Viminacium, Pecine Necropolis .. H5
I15535 Viminacium, Pecine Necropolis .. H1b
I15536 Viminacium, Pecine Necropolis .. U5a1j
I15486 Viminacium, Pirivoj Necropolis .. T2
I15490 Viminacium, Pirivoj Necropolis E-V13,E-Z1057,E-CTS1273 H6b
I15491 Viminacium, Pirivoj Necropolis H7
I15492 Viminacium, Pirivoj Necropolis R1b-U152,R-L2,R-Z258,R-Z367,R-L20 H7
I15493 Viminacium, Pirivoj Necropolis .. H8c
I15494 Viminacium, Pirivoj Necropolis .. H5a2
I15495 Viminacium, Pirivoj Necropolis E-V13,E-Z1057,E-CTS1273,E-BY3880,E-Z5017,E-Z5016,E-Y3762,E-CTS6377,E-CTS9320 H49
I15498 Viminacium, Pirivoj Necropolis H36
I15499 Viminacium, Pirivoj Necropolis 80-215 cal CE E-M78,E-Z1902,E-V12,E-Y2863,E-FGC14377,E-FGC14378,E-V32 L2a1j
I15501 Viminacium, Pirivoj Necropolis .. J1c1
I15502 Viminacium, Pirivoj Necropolis E-Z830,E-PF1962,E-M123 U3a2a1
I15509 Viminacium, Pirivoj Necropolis .. I4b
I15510 Viminacium, Pirivoj Necropolis G-PF3148 H26a1
I15511 Viminacium, Pirivoj Necropolis .. H
I15512 Viminacium, Pirivoj Necropolis .. X2+225
I15514 Viminacium, Pirivoj Necropolis .. U4a2a
I15515 Viminacium, Pirivoj Necropolis R1b-Z2103 K1a3a
I15516 Viminacium, Pirivoj Necropolis G-P303 H13a1a1
I15517 Viminacium, Pirivoj Necropolis 124-228 cal CE J2a-L26,J-PF5087,J-PF5160,J-L24,J-Y22662,J-L25,J-Z438,J-Z387,J-L70 HV
I15485 Viminacium, Rit Necropolis .. H
I15487 Viminacium, Rit Necropolis .. T1a
I15488 Viminacium, Rit Necropolis .. H41a
I15489 Viminacium, Rit Necropolis G-PF3148,G-PF3177,L91,G-Z6484,G-Z6284,G-Z6128,G-Y140837,G-Y140827 H
I15496 Viminacium, Rit Necropolis .. T2b+16362
I15497 Viminacium, Rit Necropolis .. J1c
I15500 Viminacium, Rit Necropolis 129-247 cal CE .. R0a1a
I15504 Viminacium, Rit Necropolis E-V13,E-Z1057,E-CTS1273,E-BY3880 H47a
I15505 Viminacium, Rit Necropolis .. J1d1a1
I15506 Viminacium, Rit Necropolis .. HV9+152
I15507 Viminacium, Rit Necropolis E-V13,E-Z1057,E-CTS1273,E-BY3880 K1c2
I15508 Viminacium, Rit Necropolis .. W6
I15519 Viminacium, Rit Necropolis .. R0a2d
I15503 Viminacium, Vise Grobalja Necropolis .. U5a2c
I15513 Viminacium, Vise Grobalja Necropolis E-V13,E-Z1057,E-CTS1273,E-BY3880 H8c
I15518 Viminacium, Vise Grobalja Necropolis E-V13,E-Z1057,E-CTS1273 U2e1a1
I15520 Viminacium, Vise Grobalja Necropolis R1a-M417,R-Z645 U5b2b
I15521 Viminacium, Vise Grobalja Necropolis G-P303 H
I15522 Viminacium, Vise Grobalja Necropolis .. H
I15523 Viminacium, Vise Grobalja Necropolis .. H+152
I15524 Viminacium, Vise Grobalja Necropolis I2c-L596,I-Y16649,I-Y16419 HV9+152
I15525 Viminacium, Vise Grobalja Necropolis E-V13,E-Z1057,E-CTS1273 H13a1a1
I15526 Viminacium, Vise Grobalja Necropolis E-M123,E-M34,E-Z841,E-Z849,E-CTS1727,E-L791 H13a2b2

I15549 Mediana 259-409 cal CE I1,I-Z58,I-Z59,I-CTS8647,Z60,Z140,Z141 H5b
I15550 Mediana .. H41a

I15544 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis 261-418 cal CE E-V13,E-Z1057,E-CTS1273,E-BY3880 HV9
I15545 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis 417-538 cal CE I1,I-Z58,I-Z59,I-CTS8647,Z60,Z140,Z141 H1
I15546 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis J2b2a-L283,J-Z622,J-Z600,J-Z585,J-Z615,J-Z597 L2a1+143+16189 (16192)
I15547 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis J2b2a-L283 H+152
I15548 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis J2b2a-L283,J-Z585,J-Z615,J-Z597,J-Z638,J-Z1297,J-Z8421,J-Z631,J-Z1043 W+194
I15551 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis 242-375 cal CE R1b-Z2103,R-Z2105 T1a
I15552 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis R1b-Z2103,R-M12149,R-Z2106,R-Z2108,R-Z2110,R-CTS7556,R-Y5592,R-CTS1450 H1c
I15553 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis E-V13,E-Z1057,E-CTS1273 T2b25
I15554 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis E-V13,E-Z1057,E-CTS1273,E-BY3880 H
I15555 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis G-P303,G-L140,G-PF3346,G-PF3345,G-CTS342,G-FGC12126 X2i+@225
I15556 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis .. H10d
I15537 Timacum Minus, Kuline Necropolis E-V13,E-Z1057,E-CTS1273,E-BY3880,E-Z5017,E-Z5016,E-Y3762 H13a2a
I15538 Timacum Minus, Kuline Necropolis 892-989 cal CE R1b-P312,R-D99 H1e1a6
I15539 Timacum Minus, Kuline Necropolis R1b-P312,R-D99 H1e1a6,H1e1a6
I15540 Timacum Minus, Kuline Necropolis .. J1b1a1
I15541 Timacum Minus, Kuline Necropolis I2a1b-L621,I-CTS10936,I-S19848,I-CTS4002,I-CTS10228,I-Y3120 K1a4
I15542 Timacum Minus, Kuline Necropolis 897-1021 cal CE I2a1b-L621,I-CTS10936,I-S19848,I-CTS4002,I-CTS10228,I-Y3120 H9a
I15543 Timacum Minus, Kuline Necropolis J2-L26,J-Z6064,J-Z6055,J-Z6057,J-Y7013,J-Y7010 H1f+16093