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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    I think this is the official TA Lotr subforum, we have talked about everything not only the movies
    Maybe an admin will see this and change the name of the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KirillMazur View Post
    The casting looks bad already, weird to see Puerto Ricans, Caribbean's and other people casted. I could see it in a modern work like Game of Thrones. But LOTR fans aren't as open minded imo. Would be like seeing King Arthur as a minority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KirillMazur View Post
    There was such a wizard - Gandalf. According to the book - the mighty spirit in human body. He wandered through the Middle-Earth and somehow diplomatically solved all sorts of conflicts between the local peoples.
    Yes Gandalf influenced Middle Earth a lot, but he is not the only one. If we see the complete Third and Second (or even the First) Age Gandalf is just a minor player in general. Even Elrond or Galadriel had bigger influence.

    Quote Originally Posted by KirillMazur View Post
    By the book, Gandalf was Mayar (this is something like titans), like Sauron. Both were wise diplomats. Both actively participated in the life of the peoples of the Middle-earth. Both managed huge communities (and both - in diplomatic way). Only Sauron was also an excellent engineer-inventor, and for Gandalf, this was not observed. But Saruman did some engineering. Although, Gandalf wasn't really need of engineering in the book, only social one.
    Maiar is something like angel, and Sauron was not a diplomat, he was a tyrant who twisted everything in Middle Earth unlike Gandalf who wanted to preserve the work of Valar. Sauron was one of the most powerful maia, he had learned much from Morgoth and the Noldor of Eregion, also he was famous sorcerer and shape shifter. Saruman was obsessed with industry and engineering because he had studied Sauron as well and he wanted to copy his work.

    Quote Originally Posted by KirillMazur View Post
    Gandalf and Sauron both were looking for a ring. Gandalf found it. And immediately began the mighty activity on the restructuring of the Middle-earth political map.
    Gandalf just wanted to destroy the evil that's all, Gandalf never wanted power over others.

    Quote Originally Posted by KirillMazur View Post
    The Ring. In general, pure PR and deception. This ring in the book does not work at all. The only thing that it is suitable is like a means of communication with Sauron and Nazguls (they see Frodo when he puts on a ring). That's all. It does nothing more. And about its "omnipotence" we know only from Gandalf, no more sources.
    The Ring give personal power to everyone, it's more effective in a powerful persons hand. The One Ring gived not much power for a hobbit beucase basically hobbits are not so strong creatures, but if Saruman or Galadriel would have used it the story would be totally different, the Ring would give them unimaginable power.

    Quote Originally Posted by KirillMazur View Post
    Tom Bombadil. He isn't in the films, but in the book he is. He is also a MAYAR, as well as Gandalf and Sauron. But he lives with his own (I hope) wife in the forest and doesn't give a f*ck what is happening there on the "continent". At all. Moreover, when Frodo and his bros get to visit him, Tom puts the Ring - and nothing happens. At all. ZERO. Twisting in his hands, he easily gives the ring back to Frodo. Then the hobbits go further, and Tom stays in the forest.
    The origin of Bombadil is unknown, Tolkien had never explained it, but he definitely was not a maia. According to books Tom Bombadil was in Arda before everyone else, the most possible version Tom is Iluvatar himself as a spririt in Arda. He was even much more powerful than any Mage or Sauron.

    Quote Originally Posted by KirillMazur View Post
    Balrog in Moria. Just a watchman. So that any gopniks do not plunder the underground industrial complex. Therefore, Gandalf survived in the "fight" with him. They fell down, that he "are you ok?" "Yeah. Let's wait for these suckers go away rather far off."
    The balrog is not a watchman, he was an independent evil creature from Utumno the first home of Morgoth and the biggest/strongest fortess what even existed in Arda. After the fall of Morgoth some balrog have hidden away from valars and elves, but their only master is Morgoth they don't serve any other dark lord.

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    Orcs - educated industrial workers on different underground and terrestrial plants and factories (probably Tolkien despised working class).
    This is complete bullshit, most orcs lived in primitive tribal societies without any industry. The Uruks of Isengard and orcs from Mordor were not average orcs, they were ruled by a powerful dark lord who gived them such technology, but orcs know nothing about indióustry in general. If you see the Battle of Five Armies in the book, the northern orcs had no any siege machine, but they wanted to invade Erebor which is a fortress. Orcs can make only a very primitive machines (mostly just traps) and blacksmith works, but these are nothing compared to humans, dwarfes or elves.

    Quote Originally Posted by KirillMazur View Post
    Elves - wild, illiterate gopniks living on trees.
    Elves are the most civilized creatures in Arda just saying... stop trolling it's a serious thread.

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    Dwarves - wild, but rather skillful monkeys, whom the orcs taught the basics of industry and mining.
    You have no idea about Lotr that's pretty clear. Even dwarfes can make magical things unlike orcs...

    Quote Originally Posted by KirillMazur View Post
    What result do we have? Political map of Middle-earth has changed. That's all. Nothing more has changed. Everyone remained in their places, only the authorities changed. Gandalf sailed to Valinor, no one saw Sauron, the rest went home. Orcs, by the way, too.
    You are communist so i can understand your bad feelings when Sauron and his tyranny was over. Sauron was banned from Arda into the Void, and orcs have been exterminated the survivors left their home and dug more deeper to hide themselves, no one have seen orcs in the Fourth Age.

    Quote Originally Posted by KirillMazur View Post
    Hence the simple conclusion: Gandalf was Sauron! He was the wisest and most cunning of Mayars, a great strategist and a diplomat - and this is what we see in the face of Gandalf. Picture a "good grandpa" was too easy for him. However, why do we think Sauron was evil, cannibal and similar to Stalin at all? Just because the elves said so. But who are the elves? Insolent, uppity killers who cut each other (the story of Feanor, as an example).
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    Why do you want to force your communist mania into the Lotr? I don't read your other shit, you have no idea about Middle Earth or you are trolling that's pretty clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    Why do you want to force your communist mania into the Lotr? I don't read your other shit, you have no idea about Middle Earth or you are trolling that's pretty clear.
    I read Tolkien's books for a long (very) time ago and no longer remember the small details. Of course, I decided to troll a little at night.
    I knew that you would definitely come to this thread and smash my "creative" into dust.

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