Lord of the Rings Trilogy Thread

**Renekton** · 09-04-2020, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Blondie

I doubt, norse men are rohirrim.

Yes correct

**Kyp** · 09-04-2020, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Finnish Swede

I like the fact: Southrons (or Haradrim) ....
* have dark skin
* have dark eyes
* have dark hair
* were bad people (southern / south of Gondor).

Do we know they were bad people inherently? They could've just been corrupted by Sauron (magic). I thought the scene in Lord of the rings with the dead Southerling did well in this aspect. (I dont remember if it was in the book or not)

Also who cares. The Lord of the rings was made by a European man or a man of European descent. Obviously it has a Eurocentric worldview in some way or the other. This is neither a positive or negative thing. It's just natural.

**Finnish Swede** · 09-04-2020, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Kyp

Do we know they were bad people inherently? They could've just been corrupted by Sauron

They were more like called ''easily corrupted''.

**Finnish Swede** · 09-04-2020, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Blondie

Elves are not blonde in every case, majority are not blonde.

Oh, not all (elves) but she was special ... princess of Noldor! You have read Silmarillion (I remember?)

**Blondie** · 09-04-2020, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Kyp

Do we know they were bad people inherently? They could've just been corrupted by Sauron (magic). I thought the scene in Lord of the rings with the dead Southerling did well in this aspect. (I dont remember if it was in the book or not)

Also who cares. The Lord of the rings was made by a European man or a man of European descent. Obviously it has a Eurocentric worldview in some way or the other. This is neither a positive or negative thing. It's just natural.

Easterlings and haradrim are not generally bad but black numenoreans are all evil, they were the most loyal servants of Sauron. Their number is not so big compared to good numenoreans but they are very powerful because of their ancient numenorean blood what they kept as well, that's why the small city state Umbar can resist against the much bigger Gondor, because most gondorians are simple humans only the elite is numenorean, lived mostly in Dol Amroth, Pelargir and Minas Tirith. The Corsairs of Umbar were much better fighters than gondorians in general, their looking was not so dark like in the movies but they were similar to gondorian elite. Only the Knights of Dol Amroth were similar level with Corsairs by strenght because of their pure numenorian bloodline and they had some elvish blood too.
The Lotr is not nordicist world, the superior numenorians were all dark haired, eyed with med features, only the simple humans from North were blonde like rohirrim who came from North Rhovanion, or northern beornings they were also tall and blonde/ginger with long axes, or the natives or Rhudaur, Cardolan in the old times, the numenorians called them wilds, wild men.

**Ruggery** · 09-04-2020, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Token

I prefer the books. The movies felt too rushed and childish for me, Peter Jackson clearly had young people in mind when making them.

Maybe it was a bit childish but compared to the Hobbit movie TLOR is more adult although not as much as GOT.
Jackson's plan worked because the TLOR trilogy is one of the most famous in fantasy movies.

**Davystayn** · 09-04-2020, 01:59 PM

Gondor is Italy - Roman Empire, great and strong with powerful fortresses but a shadow of its former might like Rome.

Numenorians have echoes of the ancient civilisarions of southern Europe. Rohan is an amalgamation of northern Europe, goth like horse culture, anglo saxons, lombards, norse men etc, dunlendings like the welsh, haradrim, easterlings central asia, near East etc.

Interesting how in the films each culture is styled from a different age - Gondor has a 15th century vibe, hobbits wear 18th farmer clothes, Rohan 9th century etc but it all works perfectly

**Blondie** · 09-04-2020, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Finnish Swede

Oh, not all (elves) but she was special ... princess of Noldor! You have read Silmarillion (I remember?)

Yepp i have read the books many times

I love Middle Earth

**Ruggery** · 09-04-2020, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Blondie

Gondorians are south europeans.

And central europeans

**Davystayn** · 09-04-2020, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Kyp

Do we know they were bad people inherently? They could've just been corrupted by Sauron (magic). I thought the scene in Lord of the rings with the dead Southerling did well in this aspect. (I dont remember if it was in the book or not)

Also who cares. The Lord of the rings was made by a European man or a man of European descent. Obviously it has a Eurocentric worldview in some way or the other. This is neither a positive or negative thing. It's just natural.

I actually doubt if they would have been able to do the films these days, Aragorn would have been black etc