BMAC peoples phenotype

[pete23]

Hi,
I'm currently studying the history of the Persians which split from the Andronovo and "mixed" with the BMAC. But I cannot find anything about the phenotype of those people, does anybody have sources about that. Were the light or dark skin, semitic or european looking, did they all mix or did the steppe people who had a very hierarchical society all mix or only lower caste?

greets

[Kyp]

Similar to modern day Iranians and Afghans who don't have Europid or Mongoloid tendencies I would imagine.

But it's always hard to say with ancient people.

[lei.talk]

Genetics

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In 2018, Narasimhan and co-authors analyzed BMAC skeletons from the Bronze Age sites of Bustan, Dzharkutan, Gonur Tepe, and Sapalli Tepe. The male specimens belonged to haplogroup E1b1a (1/18), E1b1b (1/18), G (2/18), J* (2/18), J1 (1/18), J2 (4/18), L (2/18), R* (1/18), R1b (1/18), R2 (2/18), and T (1/18).

A follow-up study by Narasimhan and co-authors (2019) suggested the primary BMAC population largely derived from preceding local Copper Age peoples who were in turn related to prehistoric farmers from the Iranian plateau and to a lesser extent early Anatolian farmers and hunter-gatherers from Western Siberia, and they did not contribute substantially to later populations further south in the Indus Valley.

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[pete23]

Similar to modern day Iranians and Afghans who don't have Europid or Mongoloid tendencies I would imagine.

But it's always hard to say with ancient people.

But there is not more known about the degree of Mixing that took place?

[Halgurd]

BMAC were neolithic Zagros derived, so they would've looked very similar to modern day Kurds, Lurs and Persians.

[Kyp]

BMAC were neolithic Zagros derived, so they would've looked very similar to modern day Kurds, Lurs and Persians.

If neolithic Zagros look like modern day Kurds, Iranians etc.

These groups are mostly Chalcolithic Iranian derived who plot between Neolithic Anatolian and Neolithic Zagros. BMAC was mostly Neolithic Iranian with small amount of Chalcolithic and EHG.

Probably more resembling Balochs than Kurds or Iranians although there is a overlap.

[Halgurd]

If neolithic Zagros look like modern day Kurds, Iranians etc.

These groups are mostly Chalcolithic Iranian derived who plot between Neolithic Anatolian and Neolithic Zagros. BMAC was mostly Neolithic Iranian with small amount of Chalcolithic and EHG.

Probably more resembling Balochs than Kurds or Iranians although there is a overlap.

According to my models west Iranic groups score around 30-40% neolithic Iran so that's why I'm saying it. Yes you're right, Baloch are probably a better representation.

[pete23]

thank you very much that's really interesting! Are there any resources about the mixing of persians with bmac people and the degree of which?

[Demhat]

Hi,
I'm currently studying the history of the Persians which split from the Andronovo and "mixed" with the BMAC. But I cannot find anything about the phenotype of those people, does anybody have sources about that. Were the light or dark skin, semitic or european looking, did they all mix or did the steppe people who had a very hierarchical society all mix or only lower caste?

greets

The Persians did not split from Andronovo and mixed with BMAC though. Your wording is wrong.

A Andronovo type people moved further Southwest mixed with the BMAC and created the Yaz culture. YAZ like people moved into West Iran and mixed with local groups and this way the Medes and Persians were born.

[pete23]

The Persians did not split from Andronovo and mixed with BMAC though. Your wording is wrong.

A Andronovo type people moved further Southwest mixed with the BMAC and created the Yaz culture. YAZ like people moved into West Iran and mixed with local groups and this way the Medes and Persians were born.

Ah ok interesting. Is it then correct that the Persians who were living in the North east of Iran(aryan tribe people for example) are closest to the Yaz people, or did those Persians also originate from the Persians that emerged in the west of Iran(which further mixed) and moved then "back" to the north east? greets!