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    Quote Originally Posted by Noble Cuman View Post
    If you are interested about Ottoman history, you should read works of İlber Ortaylı, Halil İnalcık, Mehmet Fuat Köprülü etc. You can find their work with English language.
    I am Ottoman history.

    Why would I read Ottoman history from someone else?

    As you can see in Istanbul, mosques, graveyards etc.. are Bosniak/Albanian mostly

    Why would I have a need to inform myself about myself?

    My great grand father informed my grandfather who informed me about Ottoman Empire from the first hand.

    It's not like Empire collapsed 500 years ago, it was here only 130 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    I am Ottoman history.

    Why would I read Ottoman history from someone else?

    As you can see in Istanbul, mosques, graveyards etc.. are Bosniak/Albanian mostly

    Why would I have a need to inform myself about myself?

    My great grand father informed my grandfather who informed me about Ottoman Empire from the first hand.

    It's not like Empire collapsed 500 years ago, it was here only 130 years ago.
    They are experts on Ottoman history. It can help you. And this man does not look like a Deliorman(North Bulgaria) Turk. Maybe his Kurdish ancestry is true.

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    Bosniensis, the new Ilber Ortayli. I hope after Corona you will act in Turkish Tv to discuss about Ottoman history.

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    Smells like radical Islam spirit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    > Novice autistic historian.
    > Looks like Sinan with Iranic plateau influence
    > 0% Turk 100% Islam
    > sub

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faklon View Post
    > Novice autistic historian.
    > Looks like Sinan with Iranic plateau influence
    > 0% Turk 100% Islam
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    > Top Writer 2018
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    > Master of Arts from History (c.2013)

    Faklon specs:

    > Random dhimmi from Parnassus who hasn't payed jizya tax for long time larping about being "Greek" whatever that means.


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    Ottomans was the cultural destruction of the Balkans unfortunately.

    After the Fall of Constantinople all the Greek scholars went and seek refuge in Venice, Padova and Florence triggering and started the Renaissance in Western Europe. Unfortunately our Dark Ages in the Balkans started. The consequences of that is visible even today in Former Yugoslavia. Thankfully Greece, Bulgarian, Romania, Croatia, Slovenia and recently North Macedonia is out of this spectrum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hahns View Post
    Ottomans was the cultural destruction of the Balkans unfortunately.

    After the Fall of Constantinople all the Greek scholars went and seek refuge in Venice, Padova and Florence triggering and started the Renaissance in Western Europe. Unfortunately our Dark Ages in the Balkans started. The consequences of that is visible even today in Former Yugoslavia. Thankfully Greece, Bulgarian, Romania, Croatia, Slovenia and recently North Macedonia is out of this spectrum.
    Greatest 15-18 century scholars are Ottoman Greek scholars.

    How do you mean that these poor 8 mil Greek people who were little more than a slaves for the last 5 centuries could produce more scholars than 40 mil Ottoman Greek Anatolian scholars?

    You are just another victim of false propaganda.

    There is no such thing as culture, it evolves according to agenda, religions, times. Look at modern Greeks, they don't have culture, they have adopted Germanic culture both in everyday lives, they have even started
    the process of adopting Orthodoxy to Frankish Catholicsim by adopting Frankish Calendar.

    So who actually destroyed Culture?

    Our goal in Byzantine Empire was to stay away from West in difference and everything, and we succeed with Ottoman Empire where Greeks failed miserably.

    Look at Greece and Look at Turkey.

    Turkey still independent geo-political and cultural subject while Greece has sold everything to Western moneylanders, even Roads will be in German property. hahahahah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Greatest 15-18 century scholars are Ottoman Greek scholars.

    How do you mean that these poor 8 mil Greek people who were little more than a slaves for the last 5 centuries could produce more scholars than 40 mil Ottoman Greek Anatolian scholars?

    You are just another victim of false propaganda.

    There is no such thing as culture, it evolves according to agenda, religions, times. Look at modern Greeks, they don't have culture, they have adopted Germanic culture both in everyday lives, they have even started
    the process of adopting Orthodoxy to Frankish Catholicsim by adopting Frankish Calendar.

    So who actually destroyed Culture?

    Our goal in Byzantine Empire was to stay away from West in difference and everything, and we succeed with Ottoman Empire where Greeks failed miserably.

    Look at Greece and Look at Turkey.

    Turkey still independent geo-political and cultural subject while Greece has sold everything to Western moneylanders, even Roads will be in German property. hahahahah.
    We have a Greek phrase especially when a person speaks nonsense every time: τρικυμία εν κρανίο.

    We the majority of Greeks are with the Western civilization not with a middle eastern like Turkey or Eurasian nation ex communist like Russia.

    We follow the Gregorian calendar alongside with the rest of the world even Turkey follow that.

    Frankish Germanic culture lol give me some examples to define that

    And once again :Τρικυμία εν κρανίο.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hahns View Post
    We have a Greek phrase especially when a person speaks nonsense every time: τρικυμία εν κρανίο.
    There is no such Greek phrase I assure you, for if there was I would have known it. That nation of yours German King of Greece Otto Friedrich Ludwig created is
    an abomination and an object of ridicule. I don't even remember to what extent Greek language was spoken on Greece peninsula, it was used in Pontus, Istanbul region.
    You have been re-educated with Greek language recently that previously mentioned King organized, we don't even know who you are down there.

    We the majority of Greeks are with the Western civilization not with a middle eastern like Turkey or Eurasian nation ex communist like Russia.
    Greeks have never been with Western Civilization and are their mortal enemy. Even in 13 century Emperor Manuel promised Liberation of Italy and France
    from Germanic peoples. The question is: Who are you when you don't know that? You are just some imaginary Greeks who pose as such since so called
    "Greeks" are in fact Ottomans. You are leftover Orthodoxes who have been boosted by Orthodox folk from entire Eastern Mediterranean then re-educated into Greek language.


    We follow the Gregorian calendar alongside with the rest of the world even Turkey follow that.
    We follow Gregorian for practical and political reasons, but you follow it for religious reasons.
    Just to remind you Ugo Boncompagni and Frankish pope usurper created that calendar, "Greek Culture"

    Frankish Germanic culture lol give me some examples to define that
    It's a culture developed after 7th century after Germanics usurped Papacy from Roman Empire, after Western Pentarch became God.
    Germanic Culture developed from Charlemagne who usurped Roman authority in the west by force few hundred years after genocide of the Gauls.
    Western culture is organized by Visigoths and Vandals (modern Spanish poeple), Franks and Langobards (60% Italians) and other Anglo Saxon, American germanic peoples.

    While Roman culture became Ottoman culture you like it or not.

    And once again :Τρικυμία εν κρανίο.
    Pay your jizya dhimmi!

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