Gedmatch for distant Lipka Tatar?

[Nomad]

Except the Ukrainians did not exist at that time

Pravilno I could say the East Slavs totally.Some people thought that the Russians started to admix with Turco-Mongols but they don't know the Pechenegs,Cumans and Chernie Klobuki(Turkic groups with Black Hats)integrated to Slavic-Romanian communities.

[Leto]

Pravilno I could say the East Slavs totally.Some people thought that the Russians started to with Turco-Mongols but they don't know the Pechenegs,Cumans and Chernie Klobuki(Turkic groups with Black Hats)integrated to Slavic-Romanian communities.

English-speaking people associate the word "Russian" (adjective) with "Russia" whereas in the Russian language "russki" is derived from "the (Kievan) Rus". So for us there is no problem with Russians being outside of Russia.

Yeah, but we don't really know what those pre-Mongol Turkics were like genetically. Some medieval sources suggest they had light features.

[Polak]

You have quite elevated African noise for a Pole. I have in K36 0.24 NE-African and it's very rare. You have 0.86 Pygmy. In lower K calcs of course even more SSA noise. I think it is more significant than your East-Asian/ Siberian noise.

Interesting, what is the significance of this SSA noise?

[Lucas]

Your thoughts?

You have quite elevated African noise for a Pole. I have in K36 0.24 NE-African and it's very rare. You have 0.86 Pygmy. In lower K calcs of course even more SSA noise. I think it is more significant than your East-Asian/ Siberian noise.

[Aspirin]

With such amount of East Asian you really can have one distant Lipka Tatar ancestor.

[Leto]

Polish and Belarusian Tatars in case you're interested (the oracles may be outdated as of now)

Some very interesting finds - Belarusian Tatars (siblings or close relatives). There is a couple of other people on that account but they seem mixed with Belarusians

E-M35
T2c

Gedrosia 12.98 Pct
Siberian 9.49 Pct
Northwest_African 0.29 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.91 Pct
Atlantic_Med 15.64 Pct
North_European 27.24 Pct
South_Asian 0.95 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.90 Pct
East_Asian 12.03 Pct
Caucasus 17.56 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Enver
7.54091506 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
16.73118645 Turk_Romania
17.29641581 Turk_Bulgaria
18.15616700 Uzbek
18.20162905 Tatar_Kazan
19.67927082 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
20.12610742 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
20.25033086 Turk_Greece
20.28272664 Bashkir
21.30099763 R.Moldova_Gagauz

Target: Enver
Distance: 1.9180% / 1.91803529 | ADC: 0.25x
73.2 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
9.4 Cornwall
7.0 Dargin
5.4 Yagnobi
4.6 Turk_Romania
0.4 Mixed_Germanic

#

Gedrosia 13.10 Pct
Siberian 6.46 Pct
Northwest_African 0.52 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 15.93 Pct
North_European 21.42 Pct
South_Asian 0.87 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.83 Pct
East_Asian 8.54 Pct
Caucasus 27.34 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Riza
8.37637153 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
10.79559632 Turk_Northwest
12.87789579 Turk_Bulgaria
13.43999628 Turk_Southwest
13.48469132 Yoruk
13.83834528 Turk_Romania
13.85248353 Turk_Greece
14.30959468 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
14.48187488 Turk_West_BlackSea
15.71159763 Turk_Macedonia

Target: Riza
Distance: 3.0381% / 3.03813676 | ADC: 0.5x
69.4 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
25.2 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
4.2 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
1.2 Tajik_Balanovsky2019

Target: Riza
Distance: 2.0655% / 2.06546420 | ADC: 0.25x
63.2 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
25.4 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
5.8 Tajiks
3.8 Yoruk
1.0 French_Basque
0.4 JPT30
0.2 Japanese
0.2 Pais_Vasco

#

Gedrosia 9.26 Pct
Siberian 10.34 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 2.27 Pct
Atlantic_Med 14.25 Pct
North_European 32.42 Pct
South_Asian 1.42 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.51 Pct
East_Asian 16.78 Pct
Caucasus 11.75 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Antonina
9.59964062 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
14.24801039 Tatar_Kazan
15.58676682 Bashkir
21.63987754 Uzbek
23.27610148 Udmurt
23.45100211 Mari
23.50405710 Turk_Romania
23.83418763 HUN_Szekely
24.28202422 Turk_Bulgaria
24.30400584 Karakalpak

Target: Antonina
Distance: 2.0690% / 2.06899796 | ADC: 0.25x
47.2 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
40.6 Tatar_Kazan
6.0 Argyll
4.0 Japanese
2.2 Chinese


And here are two Polish Tatars from Bialystok (siblings)

Gedrosia 7.18 Pct
Siberian 12.22 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 4.59 Pct
Atlantic_Med 16.44 Pct
North_European 33.04 Pct
South_Asian 1.17 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.88 Pct
East_Asian 10.11 Pct
Caucasus 12.76 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.59 Pct

Distance to: Jaroslaw
10.97382340 Tatar_Kazan
11.70854816 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
17.41080412 Bashkir
19.37336574 HUN_Szekely
19.79486550 Turk_Romania
20.67474063 Turk_Bulgaria
20.76646576 Udmurt
21.02461652 Mari
21.09420774 R.Moldova_Centre+North
22.31228585 Serb

Target: Jaroslaw
Distance: 1.8523% / 1.85231392 | ADC: 0.25x
52.2 Tatar_Kazan
37.2 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
5.4 Cantabria
3.2 Lahu
1.8 Swiss_Italian
0.2 Dai

#

Gedrosia 9.90 Pct
Siberian 11.94 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.56 Pct
Atlantic_Med 14.29 Pct
North_European 32.81 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.33 Pct
East_Asian 14.08 Pct
Caucasus 14.09 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Halina
8.94025167 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
12.36309023 Tatar_Kazan
15.43405650 Bashkir
21.38145224 Turk_Romania
21.69991475 Udmurt
21.88643644 Uzbek
22.01143112 Turk_Bulgaria
22.02908759 Mari
22.22073131 HUN_Szekely
23.77339269 R.Moldova_Centre+North

Target: Halina
Distance: 2.6187% / 2.61873719 | ADC: 0.25x
55.6 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
39.2 Tatar_Kazan
3.6 Mixed_Germanic
1.6 Japanese

The Türük is so strong in them, stronger than in the Volga ones who live in a much more Eastern place!

[Polak]

With such amount of East Asian you really can have one distant Lipka Tatar ancestor.

You think so? Let's presume that most of this admixture came from my great grandmother, would that match up with the EE that Lipka Tatars usually get?

[Aspirin]

You think so? Let's presume that most of this admixture came from my great grandmother, would that match up with the EE that Lipka Tatars usually get?

I personally don't know, but for Slavs is more common to score high Siberian, high East Asian is a different thing. Maybe Leto will tell, he know better than me.

[Leto]

You think so? Let's presume that most of this admixture came from my great grandmother, would that match up with the EE that Lipka Tatars usually get?

Theoretically speaking:
~25% East Eurasian = 100% Tatar
~12.5% EE = 50% Tatar
~6.25% EE = 25% Tatar
~3.125% EE = 12.5% Tatar

Of course one would normally not inherit the exact same amount.

Your Dodecad K7b:

Population
South_Asian -
West_Asian 11.09 Pct
Siberian 1.16 Pct
African 1.06 Pct
Southern 7.31 Pct
Atlantic_Baltic 77.41 Pct
East_Asian 1.98 Pct

I would recommend you to convert the raw data to the V3 format, it is more accurate.

[Leto]

I personally don't know, but for Slavs is more common to score high Siberian, high East Asian is a different thing. Maybe Leto will tell, he know better than me.

That's right but sometimes those components might be interchangeable, particularly in small amounts (2-3%).