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    Quote Originally Posted by Sora View Post
    100% ethnic Polish(or Eastern Slavs) can have that amount of Mongoloid too. Also Lipka Tatars are 30%-35% Mongoloid on average and if we calculate this way, you may either have Lipka Tatar ancestry or be just an ethnic Polish.

    Have your parents taken test also?
    It is hard to score such amount, when you are additonally German and Ashkenazi. Bashkortostan location on 23andme is the best indicator of it in my opinion. This exact percentage of East Asian admixture matches with 1/8 Tatar between

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sora View Post
    100% ethnic Polish(or Eastern Slavs) can have that amount of Mongoloid too. Also Lipka Tatars are 30%-35% Mongoloid on average and if we calculate this way, you may either have Lipka Tatar ancestry or be just an ethnic Polish.

    Have your parents taken test also?
    I can't really comment on how much other Slavs score, but I have never ever seen an ethnic Pole score as much as me.

    Lipkas are about 20-25% Asian on average, so I'm not sure where you got your figure from. I think you may be mixing them up with some other Turkic groups in Eastern Europe (such as Bashkirs) who score far more Mongoloid.

    I'm not on good terms with my father, and he wouldn't be interested in taking the test anyway since this sort of stuff is not his cup of tea. My mum might in the future but I'd have to speak to her over it because they aren't cheap. I have posted threads with my family members (where my Lipka would come from) and several of them have Siberian/Mongoloid/Asiatic influences and even phenotypes, such as Ladogan, Volgid and Uralid, which pure Slavs (and especially Poles) would not have. Irregardless of whether they are Lipka or not. Feel free to check them out and tell me what you think.

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    I used to think that Lipka were somehow connected with the Volga Tatars, but :
    https://realnoevremya.ru/articles/46284
    The memory of the clans Shirin, Baryn, Sidzhiut, Jalair, as well as Kungrat and Naiman has been preserved in Polish sources.
    This set of clans is very similar to the Kazakh one.
    The Volga Tatars have long lacked a clan structure.
    Lipki are possibly descendants of one of Nogai groups or Steppe Crimean Tatars

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriekman View Post
    It is hard to score such amount, when you are additonally German and Ashkenazi. Bashkortostan location on 23andme is the best indicator of it in my opinion. This exact percentage of East Asian admixture matches with 1/8 Tatar between
    Bashkoortostan is an indicator of Tatar on there? My mother scores that region in her East Euro, plus other surrounding Ural regions. Her gedmatch I don’t think indicates any at all Though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CordedWhelp View Post
    Bashkoortostan is an indicator of Tatar on there? My mother scores that region in her East Euro, plus surrounding Ural regions. Her gedmatch I don’t think indicates any at all Though.
    I would try some one-to-one runs using some kits to confirm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CordedWhelp View Post
    Bashkoortostan is an indicator of Tatar on there? My mother scores that region in her East Euro, plus other surrounding Ural regions. Her gedmatch I don’t think indicates any at all Though.
    What is your ancestry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriekman View Post
    What is your ancestry?
    Well, my mother is 1/2 Polish (North Kresy), 1/4 Danish, some Swabian and 1/16 AJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CordedWhelp View Post
    Well, my mother is 1/2 Polish (North Kresy), 1/4 Danish, some Swabian and 1/16 AJ.
    It is a weird for your parent to score Ural regions, if her only Eastern European is Polish, I am 18,75% Russian on paper and got only 3 Russian regions, of which only one is correct

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriekman View Post
    It is a weird for your parent to score Ural regions, if her only Eastern European is Polish, I am 18,75% Russian on paper and got only 3 Russian regions, of which only one is correct
    I agree. My Poles were from northern Belarus though, and were under the Russian empire for a time- my family does claim a little “Russian”, but I don’t know if that’s a half confused memory of that area being under Russia at the time, or what (my Polish side immigrated to US around 1910)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CordedWhelp View Post
    I agree. My Poles were from northern Belarus though, and were under the Russian empire for a time- my family does claim a little “Russian”, but I don’t know if that’s a half confused memory of that area being under Russia at the time, or what (my Polish side immigrated to US around 1910)
    I will also add that her Russian regions are very consistent and have been since the regional feature in AC was introduced on 23. Only changes are occasional shuffling of regions (cheylsbinsk rose up a couple places)

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