Why isnt Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa part of Iran or Afghanistan

[Dr_Maul]

but they are iranic peoples the argument is really that those provinces should be part of aghanistan more than iran

Iranic does not not mean much compared to actual shared culture/history. Pashtuns and Baloch are part of their own cultural sphere (Afghan) compared to the Iranian one (Persians, Azeri)

[Thambi]

Its more to do with british colonialism. UK tried to invade modern day afghan region with multiple battles but failed to colonize it so they just ended up with an agreement to split the region with the durand line. East of Durand line from chitral to balochistan came under pakistan and west became part of afghanistan. The areas east of durand were controlled by the british empire, but they couldn't get the western areas and thats why the borders are the way they are today.

[lameduck]

Afghanistan is estimated 64% pashtun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...#Ethnic_groups
and Pakistan is 44% punjabi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan#Ethnic_groups

either way they are the largest ethnic groups there

this is old census, according to new census Punabis are at 38% ,add to this punjabi is more of a regional idenitity with many tribes living under geographical label .
Afghan pashtun population is not calculated properly.

[Mingle]

If Quetta and Peshawar are majority pashtun and i pass easily in both.

The borders of those countries were drawn by Brits and they didn't care about having sensible ethnic-based borders.

[mena]

Its more to do with british colonialism. UK tried to invade modern day afghan region with multiple battles but failed to colonize it so they just ended up with an agreement to split the region with the durand line. East of Durand line from chitral to balochistan came under pakistan and west became part of afghanistan. The areas east of durand were controlled by the british empire, but they couldn't get the western areas and thats why the borders are the way they are today.

wow dang brits didnt know this thank you!

[sean]

Balochistan used to be under the control of Safavids, but it became independent in 1666, some of its territories were leased or ceded to form the province of British Baluchistan.

The British recognised the territory as a state just before leaving in 1947, only for Pakistan to illegally annex it less than a year later. The Khan of Kalat (aka Balochistan) agreed to it, and wanted to unite, but some people rebelled.

However, one of the world’s most heavily fortified barriers lies between Iran and Pakistan. Saddam (de facto ruling Iraq) supported Jumma Khan Marri's Balochi Marxist separatists against Pakistan during the 70's and against Iran.

The real reason it exists is to quell a Baloch insurgency of Sunni Muslims in Iran that was brewing for years, and a militant group called Jundullah (Soldiers of God), who had begun fighting for Sunni Muslims against the Shiite regime of Iran. Because the wall falls between Baloch communities, critics call it a separation barrier that harms civilians, ravaging local economies and being a “blatant endeavor to divide the Baloch nation” on either side of the border.

Baloch separatism just like Kurdish separatism is mostly focused towards the non-Iranian countries that half their populations inhabit, but these separatist tendencies also manifest themselves in Iran to a lesser extent.

Khyber Pakhtunkhwa never became a part of Afghanistan because most of it was taken by the Sikhs. If they hadn't, Peshawar would've been in Afghanistan today. After 1947, the people of NWFP voted to join Pakistan, the Afghans didn't accept this and demanded that this region be given to them.

And they have been trying to get it for years. The place was overrun by refugees from Afghanistan during Soviet–Afghan War. Soviet backed Afghan intelligence agency KHAD started an insurgency in Balochistan. Pakis started a retaliatory insurgency in Afghanistan using Gulbuddin Hekmatyar and his men.

They are currently working with the Indian government (who want to destabilise Pakistan and disrupt China's CPEC project) to do so unsuccessfully so far. While all this was happening Pakistan kept on supporting the Taliban and their Islamic crusade in Afghanistan.

Taliban suicide attack in the city of Kandahar in 2018 killed the Balochistan Liberation Army leaders residing there under Afghan government protection while they were planning an attack on the Chinese consulate in Karachi.

[Mingle]

Khyber Pakhtunkhwa never became a part of Afghanistan because most of it was taken by the Sikhs. If they hadn't, Peshawar would've been in Afghanistan today. After 1947, the people of NWFP voted to join Pakistan, the Afghans didn't accept this and demanded that this region be given to them.

It became part of Afghanistan again, but then the Brits retook it after winning the Anglo-Afghan wars.

NWFP only voted to join Pakistan cause the only options in the referendum were between joining Pakistan and India. There was no Afghanistan option. After the referendum, it wasn't fully integrated into Pakistan, but a disputed territory. However, the Brits and Americans supported Pakistan against Afghanistan and Balochistan, so it ended up joining the Pakis.

[Demhat]

These massive multiethnic states (and with Multiethnic I mean 2 and more ethnicities that make up a very large parts of the country by numbers) have never and will never work in these Regions. If anything Pakistan, Afghanistan and parts of Iran should be dissolved to create Baluchi, Pashtun, Punjabi/Urdu/Sindhi states and Tajiks should join Tajikistan.

Things like "Greater Iran" or "Greater Turkestan" as a state are just fantasy and wishfull thinking that will never work. These things were called Empires in the past and there is a reason why they don't exist anymore.

The only real solution and alternatives are Unions, Confederations. A Iranic Union might work. Even the United States (it's in the name) is theoretically a confederation of several states.

[Demhat]

The borders of those countries were drawn by Brits and they didn't care about having sensible ethnic-based borders.

I mean the Greater Middle East and Africa are literally the only parts of this world with countries that integrate 2 or more ethnic groups which in size compete with each other. Now ask yourself why these regions are known to be so prone to conflicts.

[sean]

It became part of Afghanistan again, but then the Brits retook it after winning the Anglo-Afghan wars.

No, they took it from Sikhs.

NWFP only voted to join Pakistan cause the only options in the referendum were between joining Pakistan and India. There was no Afghanistan option. After the referendum, it wasn't fully integrated into Pakistan, but a disputed territory. However, the Brits and Americans supported Pakistan against Afghanistan and Balochistan, so it ended up joining the Pakis.

Currently, Afghanistan governments influence has been greatly diminished and most of those areas are now controlled by tribal warlords and Islamic militant groups loyal to Pakistan.