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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul View Post
    Similar concept however Bosnian is not in the same family with Turkish unlike Urdu/Persian. So the good analogy is to say for example German and English (both Germanic) with English having some loanwords from German. Also Bazaar is Persian and not Arabic


    it could be english-german or german-dutch,,what is it? i speak swedish and dutch sounds so similar,but if i was a nonenglish speaker english would sound much alien
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurrem sultana View Post
    so my guess is urdu is basically a muslim version of hindi? how about hindi ,do they have many arab loanwords?
    well, i will not call muslim version , more like poetic version, since there are many urdu speaking hindus as well. Hindi itself is lot more modified from original sanskrit. Languages evolve with time and get other influences.

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    Urdu is just Hindustani which draws most of its specialized vocabulary from Arabic and Persian whereas Hindi draws its specialized vocab from Sanskrit. The Aam admi ki bholi (common man's dialect) tends toward the Urdu register because Persian was the language of administration in India until the British Raj in the mid-19th century. I read a book by a Pakistani linguist that said Urdu did not become widely used as the name of the language until the 20th century. Even in Amir Khusro's time, Hindustani was known mostly as Hindi or Dehlawi ("the language of Dehli"). Hindustani grammar comes from Northern Indian prakrits, or the common, "natural" languages. Persian has a similar grammar but it is not the same i.e. in Hindi they would say Admi ki kitaab "the man's book" for possessives whereas in Persian they would say Kitaab-e-maan "My book" ~ "the book of I" if you wanted to get really literal. In advanced Urdu, there are frozen poetic Persian phrases like Noor-e-chaashman-e-man ~ "O Light of My Eyes", so those would be understood.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Óttar View Post
    Urdu is just Hindustani which draws most of its specialized vocabulary from Arabic and Persian whereas Hindi draws its specialized vocab from Sanskrit. The Aam admi ki bholi (common man's dialect) tends toward the Urdu register because Persian was the language of administration in India until the British Raj in the mid-19th century. I read a book by a Pakistani linguist that said Urdu did not become widely used as the name of the language until the 20th century. Even in Amir Khusro's time, Hindustani was known mostly as Hindi or Dehlawi ("the language of Dehli"). Hindustani grammar comes from Northern Indian prakrits, or the common, "natural" languages. Persian has a similar grammar but it is not the same i.e. in Hindi they would say Admi ki kitaab "the man's book" for possessives whereas in Persian they would say Kitaab-e-maan "My book" ~ "the book of I" if you wanted to get really literal. In advanced Urdu, there are frozen poetic Persian phrases like Noor-e-chaashman-e-man ~ "O Light of My Eyes", so those would be understood.
    we too have iman,nur,kitab and many other words...we in bosnia call these words "turcizmi" but most are not even turkish just we got them from them.do you have your own native words for lets say nur(light)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lameduck View Post
    well, i will not call muslim version , more like poetic version, since there are many urdu speaking hindus as well. Hindi itself is lot more modified from original sanskrit. Languages evolve with time and get other influences.
    urdu then basically is like a "made up language"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurrem sultana View Post
    urdu then basically is like a "made up language"
    yes. kind of

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurrem sultana View Post
    we too have iman,nur,kitab and many other words...we in bosnia call these words "turcizmi" but most are not even turkish just we got them from them.do you have your own native words for lets say nur(light)?
    Sure. "Noor" is obviously poetic and Arabic derived. It is only used in poetic or Islamic religious contexts. Light would be batti pron. "buttee" or the Sanskritic uday "ray of light."

    Quote Originally Posted by Hurrem sultana View Post
    urdu then basically is like a "made up language"
    No. I wouldn't really say that. It is just that Hindustani is a language that adopts and assimilates loanwords quickly and efficiently. It is like how French words flooded into English after the Norman Conquest in the 11th century. Persian itself was almost wiped out and has a large amount of Arabic loanwords.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul View Post
    Similar concept however Bosnian is not in the same family with Turkish unlike Urdu/Persian. So the good analogy is to say for example German and English (both Germanic) with English having some loanwords from German. Also Bazaar is Persian and not Arabic
    A good analogy would be Lithuanian and Russian. Indo_Aryan is to Iranic what Baltic is to Slavic.

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    Urdu is mostly similar to hindi, with some persian and arabic loanwords/vocab. A lot of urdu greetings are similar to persian or arabic.

    Hello = Salaam Alaikum
    Thank you = Shukriya
    Welcome = Khush Amdeed or Marhaba?
    Goodbye = Khuda Hafiz
    Life = Zindagi (used in hindi as well)
    Chat = Guftagu
    Teacher = Ustad
    Difficult = Mushkil
    Heart = Dil
    Coincidence = Ittefaq

    The biggest similarity between indo-aryan and iranic languages are the numbers 1-10. Its almost the same. But i guess thats with all indo european languages so it doesnt mean much.

    hindi or urdu/persian
    1 = Ek/Yek
    2 = Do/Do
    3 = Teen/Se
    4 = Char/Chahar
    5= Panch/Panj
    6 = Che/Shesh
    7 = Saat/Haft
    8 = Aat/Hasht
    9 = Nou/No
    10 = Das/Da
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thambi View Post
    Urdu is mostly similar to hindi, with some persian and arabic loanwords/vocab. A lot of urdu greetings are similar to persian or arabic.

    Hello = Salaam Alaikum
    Thank you = Shukriya
    Welcome = Khush Amdeed or Marhaba?
    Goodbye = Khuda Hafiz
    Life = Zindagi (used in hindi as well)
    Chat = Guftagu
    Teacher = Ustad
    Difficult = Mushkil
    Heart = Dil
    Coincidence = Ittefaq

    The biggest similarity between indo-aryan and iranic languages are the numbers 1-10. Its almost the same. But i guess thats with all indo european languages so it doesnt mean much.

    hindi or urdu/persian
    1 = Ek/Yek
    2 = Do/Do
    3 = Teen/Se
    4 = Char/Chahar
    5= Panch/Panj
    6 = Che/Shesh
    7 = Saat/Haft
    8 = Aat/Hasht
    9 = Nou/No
    10 = Das/Da
    in Bosnia we say selam alejkum,merhaba etc..we got it from turks..interesting how muslims always use the same phrases.and these are not persian but arabic
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