Is R1a-Z284 Norwegian?

[Shubotai]

There are studies that give R1a-Z284 a more elevated frequency for Norway instead of south Sweden. Even if its origin has been from Gotland, does this mean that from a modern perspective it is Norwegian? It was also associated with the battle-axe culture. R1b-U106 has undoubtedly set the base for the germanic language of Norwegian, while there is also the germanic type of I1-Z58 in Scandinavia, all three haplogroups around an equal percentage 1/3.


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[Norb]

yes

[Illyrius]

I think it's a Germanic offshoot of the corded ware culture. Might have nothing to do with Slavic peoples

[Token]

Yes, definitely Scandinavian.

[Ülev]

I bet those Z-284 and L-664 could be also of Polabian origin, sorry Norb, you are Polabian

[Blondie]

Its proto-germanic

[Shubotai]

I think it's Gothic. Likely coalesced in East Germany, then went up to Scandinavia where it flourished in Gotland in south Sweden, had an offshoot in Norway and participated in the Norse raids. Since they come from R1a they are of satem origin and probably assimilated into R1b-U106 proto-Germans. Also Z282>CTS1211 is a nephew clade of Z284 so Z284 carriers can't be Slavs. But historical Goths amassed a lot of Slavic subjects in Ukraine and subsequently raided as Ostrogoths and Visigoths in Italy and Spain. Z284 could be a haplogroup with a history that directly or indirectly affected almost all of Europe.