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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    That's only Christian part of History.

    Want me to tell you story about Romans and Gauls who founded Ottoman Empire and started spreading new religion?

    Those were even more numerous than Vlachs.

    Christian historiography absolutely ignores Ottomans as Romans (on purpose of course) and identify them as Mongoloid Turanic Horde.

    Romans today are predominantly muslims and they are Turks, Albanians, Bosniaks while Orthodox part are Greeks, Romanians, Serbs, Bulgarians and Southern Italians.
    Без обзира на дуготрајно испирање мозга митоманском историјом, односно бајкама да су Румуни директни потомци римских колониста из Италије и прављење њиховог римског идентитета (романизација језика и дизање споменика Ромулу и Рему буквално у сваком селу и граду у Румунији) што је кренуло у 19-ом в. од "Ардељана" румунских интелектуалаца унијата из Ердеља, Румуни не гледају Србе као противнике или непријатеље чак чини ми се да имају углавном позитивно мишљење о Србима.
    Румунија је створена у 19-ом в. из гео-политичких разлога западних сила, да буде физичка брана између Руса с једне и православних балканских Словена и Грка и с друге стране. Код Румуна има поприлично доста русофобије за један православни народ, то је резултат 160 анти-руске пропаганде која се у Румунији одржава јачим или слабијим интензитетом.

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    Jebali vas više Vlasi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daco Celtic View Post
    In the comments, Romanians claim to understand he well

    That’s because she speaks romanian. “vlachs“ in serbia don’t have a distinct dialect. Many of those are actually romanian settlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seya View Post
    That’s because she speaks romanian. “vlachs“ in serbia don’t have a distinct dialect. Many of those are actually romanian settlers.
    What she speaks is a dialect from every possible angle, regardless of whether she's an old Vlach or a Romanian settler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow View Post
    What she speaks is a dialect from every possible angle, regardless of whether she's an old Vlach or a Romanian settler.
    Romanian language doesn’t have dialects. We mistakenly call dialect just a regional accent + a few regionalisms. Dialects are napoletano and sicilian of the italian language. They can barely understand each other. I’d say aromanian is a dialect or aromanian and romanian are 2 dialects of the same languages and not this regional very small differences

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    Romanians and Vlachs have:

    1. Y-DNA as south slavs
    2. Autosomal as south slavs
    3. Culture like south slavs (well except us ottomans)

    Whatever is applied to Romanians and Vlachs applies to South Slavs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seya View Post
    Romanian language doesn’t have dialects. We mistakenly call dialect just a regional accent + a few regionalisms. Dialects are napoletano and sicilian of the italian language. They can barely understand each other. I’d say aromanian is a dialect or aromanian and romanian are 2 dialects of the same languages and not this regional very small differences
    Your definition of a dialect overestimates the official one.

    dialect
    /ˈdʌɪəlɛkt/
    noun
    a particular form of a language which is peculiar to a specific region or social group.

    This form is peculiar to the Vlachs from Serbia. I don't care that you may call it similar to the Banat accent/semi-dialect, it's still massively different from how any Romanian talks.

    "Grai" is a stolen term that means language and was used by Romanian "linguists" to underestimate the language variation of Romanians. The three main "grais" in Romanian would be called dialects, or at the very least heavy accents. That's why I called my g-grandma's heavy Moldavian accent a semi-dialect.

    Aromanian is not a dialect either, it's a language.

    Sicilian can be called a dialect too, but Germans moving from one region to another and changing up a few sounds call it a dialect too, not an accent. Why are we then supposed to call this just Romanian? It makes no sense whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow View Post
    Your definition of a dialect overestimates the official one.

    dialect
    /ˈdʌɪəlɛkt/
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    a particular form of a language which is peculiar to a specific region or social group.

    This form is peculiar to the Vlachs from Serbia. I don't care that you may call it similar to the Banat accent/semi-dialect, it's still massively different from how any Romanian talks.

    "Grai" is a stolen term that means language and was used by Romanian "linguists" to underestimate the language variation of Romanians. The three main "grais" in Romanian would be called dialects, or at the very least heavy accents. That's why I called my g-grandma's heavy Moldavian accent a semi-dialect.

    Aromanian is not a dialect either, it's a language.

    Sicilian can be called a dialect too, but Germans moving from one region to another and changing up a few sounds call it a dialect too, not an accent. Why are we then supposed to call this just Romanian? It makes no sense whatsoever.
    so romanian language, according to you, has a few dialects? you need to get this term right. we don't have any dialects. different accents of the same language with a handful of regional terms doesn't make it a dialect. italians can only understand what a napoletano is talking about..nothing more. but it's not different enough to make it a distinct language. this is what a dialect means. or the catalano in spain. we don't have that. and this lady speaks standard romanian with a few imported words, which is normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seya View Post
    so romanian language, according to you, has a few dialects? you need to get this term right. we don't have any dialects. different accents of the same language with a handful of regional terms doesn't make it a dialect. italians can only understand what a napoletano is talking about..nothing more. but it's not different enough to make it a distinct language. this is what a dialect means. or the catalano in spain. we don't have that. and this lady speaks standard romanian with a few imported words, which is normal.
    I bet that you'd barely understand more than the general point of the phrase if you didn't have the subtitles underneath - you clearly hear nothing of how she actually speaks. Understanding the main idea of a phrase and completely understanding a person are different things.

    I even accentuated how she speaks with fewer imported words than my g-grandma did, and I still called it a dialect.

    That's because it is, and aggravating the term "dialect" to be borderline different languages is merely a choice that you and other Romanians do instead of facing the reality - Romanian has three main forms of speech that are between a dialect and an accent, with isolated cases of true dialects (as in the video) and related, but different languages such as Aromanian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow View Post
    I bet that you'd barely understand more than the general point of the phrase if you didn't have the subtitles underneath - you clearly hear nothing of how she actually speaks. Understanding the main idea of a phrase and completely understanding a person are different things.

    I even accentuated how she speaks with fewer imported words than my g-grandma did, and I still called it a dialect.

    That's because it is, and aggravating the term "dialect" to be borderline different languages is merely a choice that you and other Romanians do instead of facing the reality - Romanian has three main forms of speech that are between a dialect and an accent, with isolated cases of true dialects (as in the video) and related, but different languages such as Aromanian.
    what are you talking about?? are you even being serious right now?? i need subtitles to understand her? tell me please i misunderstood what you've written. this lady speaks standard romanian. any romanian here can confirm that they understand this lady 100% because she speaks ROMANIAN.
    other romanians or moldovians please comment on this because is getting ridiculous

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